From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 24 01:33:29 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26152; Sat, 24 Apr 93 01:29:14 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26147; Sat, 24 Apr 93 01:29:04 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GXDBLQZMRK8WWB9E@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Sat, 24 Apr 1993 00:29:29 CST Date: 24 Apr 1993 00:29:29 -0600 (CST) From: TAKE A SHOT AND HIDE Subject: Re: Sequential 6-track To: winston@lurnix.COM Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GXDBLQZMRM8WWB9E@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"winston@lurnix.COM" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >Does anyone have or know anything about the Sequential 6-track. I'm still desperately trying >to find out what it is, what it does, how much I should pay for it, and MOST IMPORTANTLY - does >anyone have a manual for one. Please cc my user address to any public responsed, as I'm >temporarily off the list. Mark, THE SEQUENTIAL CIRCUITS SIX TRAK 6 VOICE POLYPHONIC WITH MULTITIMBRAL SEQUENCER Keyboard: 4 octaves, 49 keys Voice: 6 VCOs (sawtooth,triangle,pulse) which can sound sepearte for each voice. 6 VCFs, 1 per voice. 3 ADSRs controlling VCO, VCF and VCA for all 6 voices. Modulation: 1 LFO(triangle, square wave) LFO>>>VCO,VCF,and VCA Performance Controls: Pitch Wheel (fixed +maj. 3 - min. 3) Modulation wheel - controls LFO amount Extra Features: Multitimbral sequencer - realtime, 6 trax, 800 notes between 2 sequences can be diven externally Arpeggiator - up\down, assignable Stack Mode - play separate timbres in unison Also - glide(potamento), keyboard stacking, unison, polarity switch, single\multitriggering, and noise Memory - 100 patches 2 sequences with 800 notes between them casette storage In\out - audio out, footswitch, MIDI in\out Dimensions: W:28" x D:12" x H:41/2" Weight:17.5 lbs I saw 2 of these in Minneapolis for around $300 apiece (I think), I am not sure if that is a good deal or what. Rob Williams MANNA-MACHINE From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 24 00:57:21 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA25594; Sat, 24 Apr 93 00:53:35 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from relay1.UU.NET by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA25589; Sat, 24 Apr 93 00:53:23 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via localhost.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14769; Sat, 24 Apr 93 00:53:11 -0400 Received: from lurnix.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 004630.21060; Sat, 24 Apr 1993 00:46:30 EDT Received: from buddy.lurnix.com by lurnix.COM (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA23033; Fri, 23 Apr 93 19:20:19 PDT Received: by buddy.lurnix.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA00883; Fri, 23 Apr 93 19:19:39 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 19:19:39 PDT From: winston@lurnix.COM (Mark Guthrie) Message-Id: <9304240219.AA00883@buddy.lurnix.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Sequential 6-track Status: OR Does anyone have or know anything about the Sequential 6-track. I'm still desperately trying to find out what it is, what it does, how much I should pay for it, and MOST IMPORTANTLY - does anyone have a manual for one. Please cc my user address to any public responsed, as I'm temporarily off the list. -Mark From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 29 19:46:37 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01491; Thu, 29 Apr 93 19:42:43 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01486; Thu, 29 Apr 93 19:42:42 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA23021; Thu, 29 Apr 93 16:42:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 16:42:37 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304292342.AA23021@hardy.u.washington.edu> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, eris@netcom.com Subject: Re: six track Status: OR hello eris. the six-trak can be taken out of omni mode by selecting track record and 4. to enable midi transmit and receive, select control record and 4. if you have a late enough rom version inside it should be able to play stuff multitimbrally from an external source just fine. what kind of productions has your six trak been in? - rf - From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 29 16:37:06 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21824; Thu, 29 Apr 93 16:34:35 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21819; Thu, 29 Apr 93 16:34:31 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA12845; Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:32:45 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA21483; Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:33:16 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304292033.AA21483@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six track To: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: eris@netcom.com, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304291837.AA21212@nit.PacTel.COM> from "Eric Pederson" at Apr 29, 93 11:41:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 827 Status: OR I think I wrote... > > Multitimbral operation > > - Caveats: multitibral mode is MONO only. Also, Caveat 2: Doing live parameter tweaks via the control knob effects ALL patches playing at the time. This isn't really a problem if you're only playing one sound, but if you're exploiting the 6 trak, it's a problem. Also, since you can only change on parameter at a time, you're limited. You can switch off and play with the cut-off and then say, the resonance, but it's a hassle due to the way the knob works. It's MIDI spec *looks* like you can send parameter changes for everything as controllers, so I can't wait to hook a MIDI fader box up to it... Or a trackball :-) -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 29 14:40:34 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14712; Thu, 29 Apr 93 14:38:59 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14704; Thu, 29 Apr 93 14:38:57 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA12697; Thu, 29 Apr 93 11:37:09 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA21212; Thu, 29 Apr 93 11:37:40 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304291837.AA21212@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six track To: eris@netcom.com (Teresa Jansen) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 11:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304291754.AA00465@netcom3.netcom.com> from "Teresa Jansen" at Apr 29, 93 10:54:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1688 Status: OR Teresa Jansen writes... > > Has anyone ever used a Sequential Circuits Six > Track in a MIDI studio? I'm having a few problems > with one. Is there a way to get it out of OMNI > mode? Can it respond to program changes and > pitch bend through MIDI? The keyboard is > otherwise responding very well...it has been used > in some very interesting productions. I have a Six Trak hooked up via midi. Here's some hints for you: - Set parameter #36 to your base MIDI channel. Multitimbral operation - Hold Track Record and press Select-2. This will put the Six-Trak into multitimbral mode and will respond to program change and controllers. There's a sysex string you can send to do this too. Also, if you send MIDI mode 4 (omni off, mono) it should also do it. - Send program changes on channels base to base+5. - Caveats: multitibral mode is MONO only. Also, while multitimbral mode is in effect, playing on the six-trak keyboard is confusing, because each key is associated with a different patch. I wish there was a way to set the keyboard patch and channel number for recording into a sequencer. The best way to record one track while in multitimbral is by using another keyboard as the controller. Use MIDI thru on your sequencer or set up your MIDI patch bay to do this. Monotimbral operation - The easiest way to do single timbre is to send omni off, poly on from the sequencer. Otherwise there's a Record+number key combo that will do it for you. I don't know which one offhand, check TFM. -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 29 13:56:55 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11768; Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:53:57 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11763; Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:53:55 -0400 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA00465; Thu, 29 Apr 93 10:54:10 -0700 From: eris@netcom.com (Teresa Jansen) Message-Id: <9304291754.AA00465@netcom3.netcom.com> Subject: six track To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 10:54:09 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Has anyone ever used a Sequential Circuits Six Track in a MIDI studio? I'm having a few problems with one. Is there a way to get it out of OMNI mode? Can it respond to program changes and pitch bend through MIDI? The keyboard is otherwise responding very well...it has been used in some very interesting productions. I'd appreciate any helpful hints that anyone has. -- Teresa Jansen, aka: Eris - Goddess of famine and strife eris@netcom.com From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 15:48:24 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21865; Fri, 9 Apr 93 15:48:13 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21860; Fri, 9 Apr 93 15:48:11 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA20152; Fri, 9 Apr 93 12:46:30 PDT Received: by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA06060; Fri, 9 Apr 93 12:47:13 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304091947.AA06060@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: metlay@netcom.com, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304091855.AA05978@nit.PacTel.COM> from "Eric Pederson" at Apr 9, 93 11:59:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1040 Status: OR Eric Pederson writes... > The SysEx implementation is pretty minimal, no parameter changes, but > patch dumps are supported. It looks possible to do editing on the > fly via parameter change commands but this would be pretty tricky since > each parameter change command changes all the parameters, and the ones > you want are encoded in a few bits. ^^ ignore this Ok, I was spacing. Now that I'm at home with the manual, here's the deal. SysEx can be used for program dumps (where all the parameters for a program are encoded in 16 bytes). Parameter changes (aka continous controller) ARE supported -- each parameter change message will change one parameter on one channel. So it seems feasible to do on-the-fly edits. To select "double mode" via the keyboard, use track record/select 2. The multitimbral info is given on page 8 and 9 of the MIDI section. Sorry about the confusion, -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From eric@nit.PacTel.COM Fri Apr 9 15:48:24 1993 Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21860; Fri, 9 Apr 93 15:48:11 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA20152; Fri, 9 Apr 93 12:46:30 PDT Received: by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA06060; Fri, 9 Apr 93 12:47:13 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304091947.AA06060@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: metlay@netcom.com, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304091855.AA05978@nit.PacTel.COM> from "Eric Pederson" at Apr 9, 93 11:59:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1040 Status: OR Eric Pederson writes... > The SysEx implementation is pretty minimal, no parameter changes, but > patch dumps are supported. It looks possible to do editing on the > fly via parameter change commands but this would be pretty tricky since > each parameter change command changes all the parameters, and the ones > you want are encoded in a few bits. ^^ ignore this Ok, I was spacing. Now that I'm at home with the manual, here's the deal. SysEx can be used for program dumps (where all the parameters for a program are encoded in 16 bytes). Parameter changes (aka continous controller) ARE supported -- each parameter change message will change one parameter on one channel. So it seems feasible to do on-the-fly edits. To select "double mode" via the keyboard, use track record/select 2. The multitimbral info is given on page 8 and 9 of the MIDI section. Sorry about the confusion, -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From eric@nit.PacTel.COM Fri Apr 9 14:57:45 1993 Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA19607; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:56:49 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA20109; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:55:07 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA05978; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:55:51 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304091855.AA05978@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304091801.AA07034@netcom.netcom.com> from "metlay" at Apr 9, 93 11:01:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1627 Status: OR metlay writes... > > Chris Meyer (no less! I'm in honored company!) writes of the SixTrak: > >Mixed news for you: > > > >Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its > >6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the > >current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. > > This is apparently not documented in the manual in a clear fashion, > according to someone who has one and has been trying to do this. Could > you provide a pointer to exactly how to set it up, as a public service? The manual is not real clear about it, that's for sure. You need to "Select Double Mode", either from the Keypad (Record + something) or via SysEx. This will set up MIDI Mode 4, enable program change, enable wheels, and set up Mono multitimbral for the channels "basic" to "basic+5". The basic channel is set up via parameter 36. Then send program changes on the 6 channels to set up your patches. > I strongly doubt this. In 1984, SysEx was terra incognita for most > manufacturers. I have racked my brains to try to remember if Sequential > had implemented sysex parameter editing or access for the SixTrak, and The SysEx implementation is pretty minimal, no parameter changes, but patch dumps are supported. It looks possible to do editing on the fly via parameter change commands but this would be pretty tricky since each parameter change command changes all the parameters, and the ones you want are encoded in a few bits. -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 14:57:45 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA19616; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:56:56 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA19607; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:56:49 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA20109; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:55:07 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA05978; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:55:51 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304091855.AA05978@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304091801.AA07034@netcom.netcom.com> from "metlay" at Apr 9, 93 11:01:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1627 Status: OR metlay writes... > > Chris Meyer (no less! I'm in honored company!) writes of the SixTrak: > >Mixed news for you: > > > >Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its > >6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the > >current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. > > This is apparently not documented in the manual in a clear fashion, > according to someone who has one and has been trying to do this. Could > you provide a pointer to exactly how to set it up, as a public service? The manual is not real clear about it, that's for sure. You need to "Select Double Mode", either from the Keypad (Record + something) or via SysEx. This will set up MIDI Mode 4, enable program change, enable wheels, and set up Mono multitimbral for the channels "basic" to "basic+5". The basic channel is set up via parameter 36. Then send program changes on the 6 channels to set up your patches. > I strongly doubt this. In 1984, SysEx was terra incognita for most > manufacturers. I have racked my brains to try to remember if Sequential > had implemented sysex parameter editing or access for the SixTrak, and The SysEx implementation is pretty minimal, no parameter changes, but patch dumps are supported. It looks possible to do editing on the fly via parameter change commands but this would be pretty tricky since each parameter change command changes all the parameters, and the ones you want are encoded in a few bits. -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 14:42:18 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18649; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:42:02 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from laidbak.i88.isc.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18636; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:41:50 -0400 Received: from ra.i88.isc.com by laidbak.i88.isc.com with SMTP (5.65/isc-mail-gw/2/23/93) id AA29170; Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:41:25 -0500 Received: from horus.i88.isc.com by ra.i88.isc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06447; Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:41:43 CDT From: maf@lachman.com (Mike A. Firman) Message-Id: <9304091841.AA06447@ra.i88.isc.com> Subject: Six-Trak scoop To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 13:41:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 641 Status: OR Well, Enough of this speculation. I don't have the manual with me, but the six trak is easily put into mode 4 either by a front panel operation or via a sysex/midi message. I wrote a patch editor for mine a few years ago (on an old IBM clone with an MPU401). I you are really interested in the details I can post another article when I get home and look at the manual. I can also post the C source if I can find it. It uses a MPU401 driver I wrote which is highly non-standard, but the code can be adapted to work with existing DOS drivers I suppose. Michael A. Firman maf@lachman.com (W) 708 505-9555 x333 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 14:02:09 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15796; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:01:57 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15785; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:01:53 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA07034; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:01:47 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304091801.AA07034@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us (Chris Meyer) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:01:46 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <199304091747.AA17976@well.sf.ca.us>; from "Chris Meyer" at Apr 9, 93 10:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Chris Meyer (no less! I'm in honored company!) writes of the SixTrak: >Mixed news for you: > >Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its >6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the >current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. This is apparently not documented in the manual in a clear fashion, according to someone who has one and has been trying to do this. Could you provide a pointer to exactly how to set it up, as a public service? >On the other hand, no way to cleanly expand the keypad into a programmer; >it is just data entry and the CPU & code inside says "Memory location? >Okay. Parameter value?" You might be able to do the same over MIDI, >however; I forget... I strongly doubt this. In 1984, SysEx was terra incognita for most manufacturers. I have racked my brains to try to remember if Sequential had implemented sysex parameter editing or access for the SixTrak, and I don't think they had. The Prophet-T8 didn't, except for single patch program dumps, and I *think* that the big thing about the Max was that it was the first machine you could do this with. The easy way to find out, I suppose, would be to try it. XOR has a SixTrak/Max profile.... >P.S. Any interest in that PAiA/Buchla list of oddities I sent you? Or did >you even get it? These, ahm, "oddities" wouldn't be for SALE, would they, hmmmmm? -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From metlay@netcom.com Fri Apr 9 14:01:55 1993 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15785; Fri, 9 Apr 93 14:01:53 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA07034; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:01:47 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304091801.AA07034@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us (Chris Meyer) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:01:46 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <199304091747.AA17976@well.sf.ca.us>; from "Chris Meyer" at Apr 9, 93 10:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Chris Meyer (no less! I'm in honored company!) writes of the SixTrak: >Mixed news for you: > >Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its >6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the >current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. This is apparently not documented in the manual in a clear fashion, according to someone who has one and has been trying to do this. Could you provide a pointer to exactly how to set it up, as a public service? >On the other hand, no way to cleanly expand the keypad into a programmer; >it is just data entry and the CPU & code inside says "Memory location? >Okay. Parameter value?" You might be able to do the same over MIDI, >however; I forget... I strongly doubt this. In 1984, SysEx was terra incognita for most manufacturers. I have racked my brains to try to remember if Sequential had implemented sysex parameter editing or access for the SixTrak, and I don't think they had. The Prophet-T8 didn't, except for single patch program dumps, and I *think* that the big thing about the Max was that it was the first machine you could do this with. The easy way to find out, I suppose, would be to try it. XOR has a SixTrak/Max profile.... >P.S. Any interest in that PAiA/Buchla list of oddities I sent you? Or did >you even get it? These, ahm, "oddities" wouldn't be for SALE, would they, hmmmmm? -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 13:49:50 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15044; Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:48:16 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15037; Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:48:11 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-930322-1) id AA02675; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:48:11 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930322-1) id AA17976; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:47:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:47:59 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304091747.AA17976@well.sf.ca.us> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Status: OR Mixed news for you: Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its 6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. On the other hand, no way to cleanly expand the keypad into a programmer; it is just data entry and the CPU & code inside says "Memory location? Okay. Parameter value?" You might be able to do the same over MIDI, however; I forget... - CM P.S. Any interest in that PAiA/Buchla list of oddities I sent you? Or did you even get it? From cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Fri Apr 9 13:49:50 1993 Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15037; Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:48:11 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-930322-1) id AA02675; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:48:11 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930322-1) id AA17976; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:47:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:47:59 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304091747.AA17976@well.sf.ca.us> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Status: OR Mixed news for you: Yes, you can put the Sixtrak into MIDI Mode 4 where it will spread its 6 voices across 6 MIDI channels, starting from the basic channel (the current one). However, it is monophonic per channel. On the other hand, no way to cleanly expand the keypad into a programmer; it is just data entry and the CPU & code inside says "Memory location? Okay. Parameter value?" You might be able to do the same over MIDI, however; I forget... - CM P.S. Any interest in that PAiA/Buchla list of oddities I sent you? Or did you even get it? From eric@nit.PacTel.COM Fri Apr 9 12:17:58 1993 Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA10873; Fri, 9 Apr 93 12:17:56 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA19976; Fri, 9 Apr 93 09:16:14 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA05364; Fri, 9 Apr 93 09:16:58 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304091616.AA05364@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (s i n e w a v e) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 09:20:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9304090334.AA26643@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "s i n e w a v e" at Apr 8, 93 11:34:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1075 Status: OR s i n e w a v e writes... > 1: is it at all possible to send a MIDI in signal to sequence multitimbral > separate tracks on this? ie,... channel 16: bass line ... channel 14: string > synth sound... etc...? Yes, in mono mode only, though. > 2: how difficult is it to make the LED push button/knob programmer into a > very, very very large programmer? i want to be able to control all of the > parameters with a knob or slider for each function.. some of you were talking > about a universal programmer? The knob on the Six Trak will let you change only one parameter at a time. It doesn't support continuous controllers (as far as I can tell) but you can send Parameter Change messages in real time. The only thing is, the parameter change message contains ALL the parameter data, so you would have to have some way to send all the bits the same except for the ones you want to change (cutoff, resonance, of course). -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 11:32:00 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA09063; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:31:43 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA09057; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:31:41 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA10874; Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:31:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 11:31:46 -0400 From: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Message-Id: <9304091531.AA10874@acs.bu.edu> To: metlay@netcom.com, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR Mike, I have a six-trax, and I'm using it with a roland msq-700 sequencer, but I still don't know how to make one MIDI channel one sound, and another MIDI channel another sound (then again, I don't know much about midi, I'm a cv man myself). So, could you possibly give me a little more specific info on how I can make this baby multitimberal via midi? Thanks, Jonathan Disegi Boston University jdisegi@acs.bu.edu From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 10:36:51 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06779; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:36:40 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06771; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:36:38 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA17971; Fri, 9 Apr 93 07:36:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 07:36:37 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304091436.AA17971@hardy.u.washington.edu> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Status: OR I'm not 100% sure of this, but I remember something like this: The SixTrak will receive MIDI data on whatever channel it is set to (Parameter 36) through the next five additional channels, so if it's set to channel 1 you can program multi-timbral stuff up through channel 6. The highest it will go to is 11. -rf- From palefox@u.washington.edu Fri Apr 9 10:36:39 1993 Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06771; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:36:38 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA17971; Fri, 9 Apr 93 07:36:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 07:36:37 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304091436.AA17971@hardy.u.washington.edu> Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Status: OR I'm not 100% sure of this, but I remember something like this: The SixTrak will receive MIDI data on whatever channel it is set to (Parameter 36) through the next five additional channels, so if it's set to channel 1 you can program multi-timbral stuff up through channel 6. The highest it will go to is 11. -rf- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 9 10:30:01 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06470; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:29:39 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06461; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:29:36 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA14428; Fri, 9 Apr 93 07:29:43 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304091429.AA14428@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: six trak woes.... To: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (s i n e w a v e) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 7:29:42 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304090334.AA26643@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>; from "s i n e w a v e" at Apr 8, 93 11:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >two things: > >1: is it at all possible to send a MIDI in signal to sequence multitimbral >separate tracks on this? ie,... channel 16: bass line ... channel 14: string >synth sound... etc...? It certainly is. The SixTrak was the first multitimbral MIDI synth that responded on multiple channels (up to six), even beating out the Xpander. It was supposed to be combined with the Drumtraks and Sequential's C64 interface to create a complete MIDI system. >2: how difficult is it to make the LED push button/knob programmer into a >very, very very large programmer? i want to be able to control all of the >parameters with a knob or slider for each function.. some of you were talking >about a universal programmer? THAT I can't answer. >i am very weary about this... it sounds like it MIGHT do what i want.. but.. I've been tempted to hunt one down for my studio; they're nice and compact, and in Stack mode they're dangerous as hell. |-> -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Fri Apr 9 17:20:33 1993 Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA25327; Fri, 9 Apr 93 17:20:17 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-930322-1) id AA12197; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:20:15 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930322-1) id AA13990; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:19:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:19:31 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304092119.AA13990@well.sf.ca.us> To: cybpunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: six trak woes.... Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR I don't have the docs at hand, but all that is needed for the SixTrak is to send a an Omni Off message followed by a Mono message, with either 0 or 6 in the last byte of the mono message indicating the number of voices ("0" = all you have). This of course has to be sent on the base channel (the one the Sixtrak is currently on). Beware! Many sequencers and even some earlier keyboards like to send Poly messages whenever they stop or detect all keys up, which will throw the Sixtrak OUT of this mode. As for programming the sixtrak, there probably aren't params on normal controllers (although there may be...vague memories of Max allowing this), but there's always falsifying Sysex dumps... - CM P.S. RE: old gear: Sines had put up a message asking about a bunch of synths, including PAiA and Buchla modules. I have a 4-cabinet heavily modified PAiA and a few odd Buchla modules that I could be enticed to part with. If you want more detail, ask via email. From mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 9 14:42:08 1994 Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 17:12:26 -0400 From: "M. Christopher Jones" To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: gear left over forsale >Stephen M Jones wrote > >>$275 sequential six trak (manual and original box) > >I know the six trak has midi and there are supposed to be a lot of them about, >but what else can someone tell me about them....how many voices, external >inputs, >does it have a keyboard, does it do midi velocity, does it respond to any >controllers etc etc... >thanks SCI Six-Trak.... *pause, deep breath*.... six multi-timbral voices when in mono mode, six voice polyphonic when in poly mode, has a great "stack" feature which allows you to assign a different patch to each of the six voices and play all six simultaneously(!), has no external inputs other than MIDI in (a simple mod will allow six discrete audio inputs to use the six-trak's LPF and resonance), one audio output (mono, but a mod will allow six discrete outputs). It can do sysex patch dumps and will accept parameter changes in real time via MIDI (it does not send them however *shrug*). It does have a keyboard (on-off only, no MIDI velocity), a mod wheel and a pitch wheel. It responds to program change, and external pitch and mod controllers. External wheels (pitch and mod) will affect all six voices simultaneously though, regardless of what mode it is in :(. It has a built-in, albeit very modest, sequencer and an arpeggiator that sends out MIDI but can only be sync'ed to an external clock (pulse not MIDI). As far a programming goes, it is sort of a pain in the ass (but well worth it). There is only one parameter knob and a single, two-digit LED display. It features saw, triangle and square waves with a really wide PWM range. It also has three envelopes(!), one for oscillator pitch, one for filter cut-off (positive or invert), and one for final volume. Further, the resonance has a 0-127 range with self-resonance usually occurring at ~60 depending on the cut-off, so this thing screams. In general it is a very dark sounding unit... not great for thick bass sounds but pretty good for coarser, squelchy sounds and for vacuous, deep and spacey type sounds. Anything else? :) -C ________________________________________________________________________________ "Litho" M. Christopher Jones mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ________________________________________________________________________________ C o n c e n t r a t e on my v o i c e..........