From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 17 14:42:44 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23375; Sat, 17 Apr 93 14:41:05 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23370; Sat, 17 Apr 93 14:41:03 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA28315; Sat, 17 Apr 93 11:41:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 11:41:01 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304171841.AA28315@hardy.u.washington.edu> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR To set the MIDI channel you: To display: Record + 9 To increment: Record + 9 + Tune All versions default to channel 1. The only way to find out the ROM version is to open the baby up (not that big of a deal) and look for the chip with a white label on it. That'll tell you the ROM version. -- rf -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 17 13:56:32 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA22522; Sat, 17 Apr 93 13:55:33 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA22499; Sat, 17 Apr 93 13:55:17 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GX49QCN3R48X2WSD@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Sat, 17 Apr 1993 12:55:53 CST Date: 17 Apr 1993 12:55:53 -0600 (CST) From: TAKE A SHOT AND HIDE Subject: Re: Prophet 600 To: palefox@u.washington.EDU Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GX49QCNDEA8X2WSD@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"palefox@u.washington.EDU" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >According to my chart (here I go again ;-) tp get from mode 1, which I think >is omni to mode 3 you have to enter RECORD + 8. Underneath that it says >earlier versions always in Mode 1. That may be the problem. wELL, I haven't hooked it up to my Midi system, since I thought it was always in Omni mode with no way out of it anyway. So, today I'll try that. When you enter mode 3, does it say what channel it receives on, or how to set that channel? I know my manula is for an earlier version (1982) but i have not looked at the ROM yet to see if I can figure out what version It is. The lady I am looking at it from NEVER used the MIDI on it, so i bet it is an old version. rob williams MANNA-MACHINE From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 17 12:37:39 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA20719; Sat, 17 Apr 93 12:35:57 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA20705; Sat, 17 Apr 93 12:35:41 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA15242; Sat, 17 Apr 93 09:35:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 09:35:40 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304171635.AA15242@hardy.u.washington.edu> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR According to my chart (here I go again ;-) tp get from mode 1, which I think is omni to mode 3 you have to enter RECORD + 8. Underneath that it says earlier versions always in Mode 1. That may be the problem. -- rf -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Apr 17 01:38:04 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13795; Sat, 17 Apr 93 01:37:51 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13790; Sat, 17 Apr 93 01:37:49 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GX3JM2IS1S8X2UDB@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:38:39 CST Date: 17 Apr 1993 00:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: TAKE A SHOT AND HIDE Subject: Re: Prophet 600 To: palefox@u.washington.EDU Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GX3JM2J1PE8X2UDB@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"palefox@u.washington.EDU" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >ON my handy-dandy MIDI CONTROL SUMMARY chart that Wine Country sent me when >I upgraded my SixTRaks' ROMs I see that the latest version for the 600 is >8. I kinda doubt that they've put too much effort into updating it in the >last few years. oK, I'm doing my trial run of the 600 right now, and so far, so good, except for little thing. The old OMNI mode deal again. As far the manual goes, the Prophet 600 is ALWAYS receiving on all channels, which is not good. I mean I would rather have no MIDI than have it tease me with MIDI. I wonder if the newest ROM would take care of something like this, of course stupid Rob forgot to ask Wine Country about this. Any clues? I'll open it up tomorrow and see what version of the ROM I have, right now I'm gonna go get drunk and probably shoot one of Jerry Lee Lewis' ex-wives. rob williams MANNA-MACHINE From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 23:51:22 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11590; Fri, 16 Apr 93 23:51:14 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11585; Fri, 16 Apr 93 23:51:12 -0400 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA17342; Fri, 16 Apr 93 20:50:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 20:50:58 -0700 From: Romeo Fahl Message-Id: <9304170350.AA17342@hardy.u.washington.edu> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR ON my handy-dandy MIDI CONTROL SUMMARY chart that Wine Country sent me when I upgraded my SixTRaks' ROMs I see that the latest version for the 600 is 8. I kinda doubt that they've put too much effort into updating it in the last few years. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 15:48:55 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24777; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:47:21 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24771; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:47:19 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us with SMTP id AA01102 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:46:52 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930413-1) id AA00980; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:46:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:46:49 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304161946.AA00980@well.sf.ca.us> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us, ricard@axis.se Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Status: OR Linear envelopes, not log. And the attack wasn't that fast. Contributed to the soft/pretty sound of the 600. I think the VCOs and VCFs were still their own chips at that point, however. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 15:28:38 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23777; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:27:17 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23772; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:27:15 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us with SMTP id AA03658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:27 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930413-1) id AA01557; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:33 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304161915.AA01557@well.sf.ca.us> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR Wine Country's number is 408 265 2008. I don't think there is any way from the outside to tell the ROM version; give WC a call and see what the latest is (then open up the 600 and look inside) and also if they still have VCO chips (should only need to replace one to fix it). XD5s are getting blown out these days; should be easy to find one cheap. Try calling normal stores. Good luck! - CM From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 15:20:03 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23249; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:17:16 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA23243; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:17:14 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us with SMTP id AA03658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:27 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930413-1) id AA01557; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:15:33 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304161915.AA01557@well.sf.ca.us> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR Wine Country's number is 408 265 2008. I don't think there is any way from the outside to tell the ROM version; give WC a call and see what the latest is (then open up the 600 and look inside) and also if they still have VCO chips (should only need to replace one to fix it). XD5s are getting blown out these days; should be easy to find one cheap. Try calling normal stores. Good luck! - CM From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 03:26:32 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26200; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:24:48 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nic.lth.se by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26195; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:24:47 -0400 Received: from axisab.axis.se by mail.lth.se with bsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0njkml-000MTpC; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:24 MET DST Received: by axisab.axis.se (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.6) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:00 MET DST Message-Id: From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:00:34 MET DST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Chris Meyer , GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Status: OR > Prophet 600 - Sequential's first foray into software envelopes and LFOs > (might have been the first by anyone, Dave Smith being a real micro-control > pioneer). It does not seem as punchy or angry as the Prophet 5, but it Mhm. Aha. No 3310's then. Are the envelopes "linear or logarithmic" i.e. linear ramps (easy in software) or capacitor charge/discharge curves (easy in hardware, and more difficult in hardware...) I've found many machines with software EG's tend to have linear ramps, which tend to sound static if not programmed well...instead of sliding into a nice sustain or release final phase, the ramps get there and stop. The T8 also had software EG's, not? Related: did the '600 use 3320's and 3340's for filters and VCO's or was some form of combination chip at play here? /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Boing Boom Tschak" -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 01:58:54 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24667; Fri, 16 Apr 93 01:58:16 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24662; Fri, 16 Apr 93 01:58:15 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GX266MP8NC8X2MNF@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 00:58:57 CST Date: 16 Apr 1993 00:58:57 -0600 (CST) From: TAKE A SHOT AND HIDE Subject: Re: Prophet 600 To: cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GX266MP8NE8X2MNF@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"cybpunk@well.sf.ca.us" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >Prophet 600 - Sequential's first foray into software envelopes and LFOs >(might have been the first by anyone, Dave Smith being a real micro-control >pioneer). It does not seem as punchy or angry as the Prophet 5, but it >makes a lot of very nice, pretty analog sounds (the triangle waves had >a bit to do with that I think). Make sure you get the last ROMs - they >adjusted the mod wheel to be the proper range over MIDI and a few other >loose-ends-tied sort of thing. > Thanx for the run down Chris, what would I look for to find out the ROM version? I have not seen the board yet, maybe it will be more obvious once I get it and docs in front of me. I will be using it mostly (if not entirely) as a sound module, so the contorller functions of it are not of great value. >Price? I have no idea. I certainly would not pay $500 for one. $300 >would be real nice price (not too cheap, but not overpriced) I think. The lady who is selling it has all original manuals (for the database!) and wants $400 with an Anvil case. Sounds pretty good, though she did say one of the oscillators was acting up(?) with no further explanation that I could get from her over the phone. How much to replace and would Wine Country have any problemo? What's Wine Country's phone number again? I guess I will go give it a test run here tomorrow (within arm's reach of my sampler of course ;'>) and see what is up. She had a MiniMoog in perfect condition as of last month, but it got ripped off. Moog thief loose in Iowa, call in the armed forces!!! BTW, i got this call from her (and people with a JUNO-1 and a Moog prodigy) from puttin an ad in a VERY small local classifed paper. It always helps to spend a little and look locally in people's basments. Not that i got GREAT deals (though this prophet 600 looks good) but at least I got some leads and some chance to goof around with some different, vintage equipment. I am looking at acquiring a CZ-101, a XD-5, a Prophet 600, and a Yamaha CS-01(I think that is the model) within the next month. Not bad for an out of work programmer waiting around for graduate school. rob williams MANNA-MACHINE From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 01:30:52 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24112; Fri, 16 Apr 93 01:29:41 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA24107; Fri, 16 Apr 93 01:29:37 -0400 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us with SMTP id AA11516 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 22:29:16 -0700 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-930413-1) id AA16647; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 22:29:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 22:29:23 -0700 From: Chris Meyer Message-Id: <199304160529.AA16647@well.sf.ca.us> To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Prophet 600 Status: OR Prophet 600 - Sequential's first foray into software envelopes and LFOs (might have been the first by anyone, Dave Smith being a real micro-control pioneer). It does not seem as punchy or angry as the Prophet 5, but it makes a lot of very nice, pretty analog sounds (the triangle waves had a bit to do with that I think). Make sure you get the last ROMs - they adjusted the mod wheel to be the proper range over MIDI and a few other loose-ends-tied sort of thing. Price? I have no idea. I certainly would not pay $500 for one. $300 would be real nice price (not too cheap, but not overpriced) I think. - CM From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 00:09:31 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA22050; Fri, 16 Apr 93 00:06:44 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA22037; Fri, 16 Apr 93 00:06:33 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GX22PWF6TS8X2G4Y@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 23:07:11 CST Date: 15 Apr 1993 23:07:11 -0600 (CST) From: TAKE A SHOT AND HIDE Subject: Prophet 600 To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GX22PWFGGY8X2G4Y@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Hello, How much is a Prophet 600 worth and what the hell is it like? I found one here locally and am thinking about buying it. Any hints? I'm gonna go play it here soon, but just wanted to know from the people I know and trust. rob williams MANNA-MACHINE From Per.Mattsson@earnie.mkv.mh.se Mon Nov 21 13:54:22 1994 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:53:18 +0000 From: Per Mattsson To: Ab Wilson Cc: 'analogue' Subject: Re: Sequencial Circuits Machines >I don't know anything about the P600 and >the T8. Would someone care to fill me in. This is straight ot of my head so... P600 is a six voice ordinary analouge synth with MIDI: 2 VCO (CEM based) with SAW, TRI and PW waveforms independently on /off. OSC A can sync to B. Instead of a normal octave switch theres a frequency knob that changes the basic freq of the oscillator in steps of a halftone. I don't like this since you must check with another synth if you really get a C when you press the C key. OSC B has a fine adjustment to. Oh, there's a GLIDE knob too. The VCF (also CEM) is 24dB/oct and has its own env. with ADSR and its key follow is switchable FULL/HALF or OFF. It sounds a bit rough. The filter can easily self-oscillate. A big drawback is that when you turn the filter freq knob you can here the steps that the microprocessor DA uses. In this respect it acts very much like the P2000. The sustain knob on the filter ENV seems to me to have only 16 steps or so and that is NOT nice. The P600 has polymodulation so the OSC B and the filter ENV can modulate OSC A and filter freq. The LFO can modulate the freq of OSC A and B (but not separate), the filter freq and modulate PW. There is only one modulation knob so you get the same amount of modulation on both the OSC freq and the filter freq. Apart from polymode it can play in mono and has a chord memory. There is two sequencers whit one track each. You have no editing and realtime only. It can arpeggiate either in up/down mode or in an assign mode that lets you forward cycle the keys in the order they were played, nice. Both the sequencer and the arpeggiator can be step forward with the fot-controller. It should be possible to trig it with an S-TRIG output somewere to, but I haven't tried that. It has nice wooden sides and looks OK. The pots feel a bit loose and cheapy though. The sound is - as with most CEM based stuff - bright. The polymodulation interests me most and the P600 can do some serious noise if you really take your time with it. The MIDI implementation is OK but I hate to bring it out of OMNI mode every f**ing time it's turned on. I haven't seen programchange work yet, but I haven't read the manual for firmware 0.8 either... Altough I'm a bit critial to it I would only sell it for something with more polymodulation capabilities. Per. From cord@lance.colostate.eduWed Feb 15 10:05:35 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 07:12:58 MST From: Cord Mueller To: "Radical Inc." , analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Prophet 600 - Are they cool? >Somebody has offered to sell me a Prophet 600. I'm not familiar with the >unit, and he has no idea what it's worth! Can anybody give me a quick >description and tell me what I should offer him? The P 600 is a spin down product of the famous Prophet 5. However the sound is almost the same. It has two oscillators you can (hard) sync or crossmodulate. Also a Mixer of the two sources is there but no noises! Two Envelopes (ADSR), one for VCA and one for VCF. BTW the envelopes are very slow because they are software generated. The filter is Lowpass 24db with resonance. You also have one LFO for PWM, Pitch, and filter. The best thing of the P 600 is the Polymodulation. Therefore you can route the second oscillator to the filter or oscillator 1 (like crossmodulation). Also you can route the VCF envelope to the pitch of oscillator one. If you use this plus the unisono, you want not miss the noise generator. It comes with unisono/chord memory and a goofy realtime sequenzer. Also a appegiator is implemented. You can store 100 programms and the 'newer' software versions contain MIDI Polymode with free channel choise and also Programm dump (sys ex). The price?? I saw some Prophets for arround $400. So if you get one for $350 or less it must be a good deal (depends on the shape of the synth!). I own one and I'm a kind of satisfied with it. Disadvantages are the slow envelopes (you get crazy sounds of it, but with faster envelopes it would be a fine Drumsynth). The synth is also Monotimbre (no splits or layer). There is no velocity or aftertouch. Hope that helps? Cord