Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:07:05 PDT From: dms!curly!grigsby@netcom.com (Spiral Death Trap) Subject: Korg PS-3200 I know someone who had one! I never thought any machine could have so many oscillators. Talk about the "brute force" approach to polyphony... one oscillator per key. The tuning rack was cool too as you could tune each note of an octave and do things like equal temperament. Just imagine getting all those oscillators going in unison. Too bad I didn't see any way to do it given the ~5 minutes I had to play with it. Can you say !!!F*A*T!!! ? // g (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nkxzm-000MTvC; Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:42 MET DST id ; Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:41 MET DST From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:41:53 MET DST Subject: Re: Korg 700 and related subjects Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > > >I remember trying out a Korg machine called the '800 DV', DV for dual voice > yes, that's the one i was talking about, and it plays as many as two notes > at one time. Ah , so it _was_ duophonic after all... don't remember what the store wanted at the time - it was used & dusty, but perhaps I should have picked it up anyway. Oh well... /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Complicating, circulating, new life, new life" -- (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nkwiy-000MTtC; Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:21 MET DST id ; Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:20 MET DST From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:20:09 MET DST analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Korg 700 and related subjects > Previously, Ricard Wolf wrote: > > > > > > After seeing an old Korg PS-3200 (fully polyphonic 48-voice machine) in > > a record store window (they're trying to sell Depeche Mode's latest), it > > A...a..._what_!? 48-voice polyphonic analog synth? Whoa...hold it...has > anyone on here got specs on _that_?? It sounds like some sort of "dream > machine" of some wild sort... Hold your horses! :-) Yes, it's 48-voice polyphonic. However, on this machine, this means no voice allocation. You get no poly portamento, for instance, though you can fine tune each note in the octave. Basically, each voice is has two oscillators, one filter and one EG. The filter is EG-controllable (but the control is called 'EXPAND' just to confuse everybody). So much for the programmable parameters. You get no ring mod, no xmod, sync or polymod or anything like that. 16 program locations (amazing for a machine at the time it came out). 7-band equalizer built in (or something). So, in effect, it's rather like the Polymoog: each voice handles one note (though the polymoog had one common filter for all voices (or voice groups?)). The individual articulation can be pretty effective I guess; however, the single-EG-voice structure means the sound range is limited, especially considering its size and cost. The PS-3200 had two brothers: the PS-3100 which had one oscillator/voice, no programmability and no EG release control (had A,D,S though, and a "SUSTAIN" switch if I remember correctly). Integral keyboard. The PS-3300 was _three_ PS-3100's in the same box, with a seperate keyboard. Still no programmability. Keyboard is the same as for the PS-3200, i.e. a four-octave thing, with joystick and a few buttons, linked to the synth via a multimultiMULTI-pin cable. No equalizer in the '3100/'3300, but a 3-band "resonator" (i.e. something like a 3-band parametric). All units were 48-note poly. All units have a few extra modules, like LFO's, an extra EG, adder and stuff included, but theses are patched in using patch cords a la MS-20. The programmability on the '3200 does not cover these (of course). The Korg catalogues volume 7 and 8 lead us to beleive that Keith Emerson used these behemoths; I've seen Hans Zimmer use them as well. Don't remember much about them myself: large machines, but I don't think the sound was terribly impressive. Remember being very impressed by the '3200 at the local music store at the beginning of the 80's, but the system does have its definite limitations. Other views? /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Complicating, circulating, new life, new life" -- From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Subject: Re: Korg 700 and related subjects Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 7:20:09 CDT Previously, Ricard Wolf wrote: > > > After seeing an old Korg PS-3200 (fully polyphonic 48-voice machine) in > a record store window (they're trying to sell Depeche Mode's latest), it A...a..._what_!? 48-voice polyphonic analog synth? Whoa...hold it...has anyone on here got specs on _that_?? It sounds like some sort of "dream machine" of some wild sort... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nkqto-000MTtC; Mon, 19 Apr 93 10:08 MET DST id ; Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:59 MET DST From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:59:16 MET DST Subject: Korg 700 and related subjects > The Mini-Korg is recognizable by the two "traveller" sliders....I don't recall, > do these control low and high-pass filters, respectively? I remember trying out a Korg machine called the '800 DV', DV for dual voice I suppose. Lots of colorful sliders and knobs, with odd legends like 'Expand' (= VCF EG mod) 'traveller' (= HP & LF cutoff controls). Looked a bit like the Yamaha CS-15 in style, but not just black and white. Must be about the same age as the MiniKorg. It had two seperate channels, but don't think it was duophonic like the ARP Odessey. After seeing an old Korg PS-3200 (fully polyphonic 48-voice machine) in a record store window (they're trying to sell Depeche Mode's latest), it strikes me that some of these panel legends (like 'expand') were carried on for a few years in the Korg line. /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Feel like fire - feel like ice" -- (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nkqto-000MTtC; Mon, 19 Apr 93 10:08 MET DST id ; Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:59 MET DST From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:59:16 MET DST Subject: Korg 700 and related subjects > The Mini-Korg is recognizable by the two "traveller" sliders....I don't recall, > do these control low and high-pass filters, respectively? I remember trying out a Korg machine called the '800 DV', DV for dual voice I suppose. Lots of colorful sliders and knobs, with odd legends like 'Expand' (= VCF EG mod) 'traveller' (= HP & LF cutoff controls). Looked a bit like the Yamaha CS-15 in style, but not just black and white. Must be about the same age as the MiniKorg. It had two seperate channels, but don't think it was duophonic like the ARP Odessey. After seeing an old Korg PS-3200 (fully polyphonic 48-voice machine) in a record store window (they're trying to sell Depeche Mode's latest), it strikes me that some of these panel legends (like 'expand') were carried on for a few years in the Korg line. /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Feel like fire - feel like ice" -- (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nkq5h-000MToC; Mon, 19 Apr 93 09:16 MET DST id ; Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:58 MET DST From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:58:03 MET DST "Analog Heaven" Subject: Re: Re- Re- Older Korg Synth Cc: "Andrew C. Crowell" > After a little more research here... > In Japan, the MiniKorg came in (at least) 2 models: the 700 and the 700S. > The 700 had one oscillator, and the 700S had two. My source (voicing > specialist Shungo Fujiwara) thinks that the model number might have been > different in the US. Aha... so it was 700 not 770 then. Thanks. /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Feel like fire - feel like ice" -- From sngruhl@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.deThu Apr 13 11:01:17 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:42:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Stefan Gruhl (CIP 92)" Subject: PS3300 experience I played around with a Korg PS3100 last week and it was great. So thought my friend and immediately decided to return it to the dealer. Why ? Well, he took the PS3300 instead. :-) Wow, this is what I call analogue ! Three PS3100 one beside the other. Each module has it's own Oscialltors, filters and - YEAH - 3 (tree!) resonators. You simply turn them (9 alltogether) in any position and it sounds most musical. Add the LFO to the resonator settings and the pure sound makes you belive you live in a world of Phasing. With it's 48 Polyphony it is more desirable than a whole symphony's string ensamble. (IMHO) We didn't figure out yet, how to use the patchpoints correctly. We are aware that you only can patch the contolling routing, but not the signal path. But who wants to deal with 48 polyphonic multicore wires ? :-) Beside the missing (and obviously limited) patching capabilities, you would complain about several other "bugs" like the unusable envelope release. You can switch 3 positions only. Fast (no) release time, medium (which turn out to be fast or verry short :-) or long, which is extra super endless long. You feel like a note stuck. Heavy need for a mod. Finally think of a 48 poyphony, consisting each sounds of 3 layerd components, with each one has it's own grownup analog synth, with own env's, LFO's etc... We can forgive Korg to do bad work on the release time. PS: I didn'tmention that this is the Unit J.M. Jarre was working with. His new record will lack rich phasing string sounds. But mine won't as this studio is only 15 minutes away. GRIN ! CU steve PPSS: I perhaps will travel with this guy around the US in 5 weeks. We'll have such a "free flying around the US" ticket. MAybe we can arrange a meeting with some interesting AH members than. I am shure this would be interesting. We'll be in Chicago,and S.F. anyway. MAybe in Colorado too. And propably enter and leave the US in N.Y. But every other location between S.F. and N.Y. could easily be reached as well. Any invitations that we happily will consider when planning our route ? Of course he won't bring the PS3300 with him, not his CS80, ELKA synthex, OBMX, his, ouch my fingers begin hurting again, when typing in his endless list of gear. :-) But I am shure there are a lot of other well equipped studios out there. I wonder who of you have rare equippement that he didn't know yet. I am shure Tom.M. with his Sennheisser vocoder will make him jealous. CU steve -- * real electronic composers don't like their music be restricted * * to the physical limitations of the human hand - AH - a great list * * Stefan Gruhl * sngruhl@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de * * Monthly bonus sig: ************************************************ * "The course of true SOUND never did run smooth" * * freely taken from Midsummernights dream by Willy S. * ********************************************************************* *