From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue May 4 13:46:44 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18359; Tue, 4 May 93 13:45:09 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18352; Tue, 4 May 93 13:45:07 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA00389; Tue, 4 May 93 10:45:07 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9305041745.AA00389@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: -- uWave -- To: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Tue, 4 May 93 10:45:04 PDT Cc: andrea@sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl, analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Ricard Wolf" at May 4, 93 1:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >> or the gorgeous Korg DSS1 .. in fact this is more then a DCO-VCF-VCA .. >> it is a Sampler-VCF-VCA .. probably the only one ever made .. > >Well, _hm_, the Ensoniq range, from the original Mirage up modern machines >use digital, or in some cases sampled (as with the Mirage), waveforms >with analog filters/vca's. Yeah, but the DSS-1 was a real synthesizer, with a real synth architecture and a lot of power. The Mirage certainly wasn't, and the later machines sorta got there in theory but [obligatory slam of OS problems deleted]. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gimme some air and let me breathe, wake me when it's time to leave(buggles) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 3 12:24:44 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16694; Mon, 3 May 93 12:21:36 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16688; Mon, 3 May 93 12:21:29 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA20913; Mon, 3 May 93 09:21:37 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9305031621.AA20913@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Date: Mon, 3 May 93 9:21:36 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9305031406.AA28424@alux1.cnet.att.com>; from "wbf@aluxpo.att.com" at May 3, 93 10:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >> metlay said: >> > OBMusicCOntent: There is ONE thing about the SH-101 that bugs me: >> > no random or noise LFO available for the VCO or VCF when you're >> > clocking externally. This is a (minor) drag; is there a way around it? >> >> YES, get you soldering iron :-) [humpf, humpf] >> >> Georg. Well, DUH. What I meant was, is there a mod to do this? I'm thinking of going the Randy Jones route of having two SH-101s, one to keep pristine and one to hack to pieces. > Try this: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > SH-101 > >Foxy 8-) No, you incredible WALLY! I said "random OR noise," not "random noise"! |-> -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gimme some air and let me breathe, wake me when it's time to leave(buggles) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 3 12:23:02 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16592; Mon, 3 May 93 12:20:06 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16578; Mon, 3 May 93 12:19:58 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA20656; Mon, 3 May 93 09:19:50 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9305031619.AA20656@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: mICROwAVE To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu (FRESHLY OPENED GRAVE) Date: Mon, 3 May 93 9:19:50 PDT Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <01GXQ21TBTGI8WXM2G@iscsvax.uni.edu>; from "FRESHLY OPENED GRAVE" at May 3, 93 3:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >heLLO FRIENDS, > Well, I know it is not analogue, but does someone here have a line on >a cheap place (<=$1000) to pick up a Waldorf Microwave? I played one for the Try Sound Deals; their 800 number is in the back of KEYBOARD every month. Ask for Jamie Robertson, tell him Mike Metlay sent you from the Net, and you'll get the best price on a new Micro you could ask for. The Micro is a lovely little box, but I don't miss mine; the VS also has digital oscillators and analog filters, and is a bit better suited to my personal tastes. (Considering that you could get three Micros for the cost of the VS, it had BETTER be. |-> ) Oh, and don't wait for the Wave; it's going to sell for over $8000. >P.S. To make it more of a "analogue" subject, what other "digital" >synths seem to be able to emulate analogue on a decent level? The best way to do this is to buy an analog/digital hybrid synth, where you combine digital oscillators with analog filters and amps. Examples include the Microwave, Prophet VS, and the inexpensive but powerful Korg DW-8000. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gimme some air and let me breathe, wake me when it's time to leave(buggles) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 3 07:12:49 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03120; Mon, 3 May 93 07:12:12 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from techfac.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03115; Mon, 3 May 93 07:12:07 -0400 Received: from schilf.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE by techfac.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE id AA28275; Mon, 3 May 1993 13:11:59 +0200 Received: by schilf.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (4.1/tp.29.0890) id AA06704; Mon, 3 May 93 13:11:59 +0200 From: bsieker@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE Message-Id: <9305031111.AA06704@schilf.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> Subject: Re: mICROwAVE To: GINGERIC9178@iscsvax.uni.edu (FRESHLY OPENED GRAVE) Date: Mon, 3 May 93 13:11:58 MET DST Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <01GXQ21TBTGI8WXM2G@iscsvax.uni.edu>; from "FRESHLY OPENED GRAVE" at May 3, 93 03:10:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL17] Status: OR [things deleted] What are the > innards of this thing? [MicroWave] It sounds to good to be digital! > Thouhg I'm sure it > mostly is. I know this thing is old hat and that the Wave will be out soon, but I just got around to falling in love with this unit and want to know other > opinions\leads on it. The Waldord Microwave is not pure digital, it uses real analogue filters some with 24 dB/oct. Moreover, it uses wavetables, i. e. several (mostly simple) waveforms that are continously (programmable) crossfaded. The Crossfading can be made faster than one complete cycle of a particular wave to achieve interesting effects. It can, however, be used as a simple crossfader between longer samples (btw. how long samples does the MW really have?) As far as I know the filters are capable of resonance up to self-oscillation (german backtranslation, don't know if this is the usual english term) One of the reasons to develop a synth like the Waldorf Microwave was to make sounds somewhat like the P.P.G. Wave, which I think was one of the first synths that used digital waveforms. Though the wave will be coming out soon (there were working examples at different shows) it is a completely different thing, that incorporates at least two complete MWs, but is *BY FAR* more. it has the largest control panel I've ever seen (I think even larger than Matrix-12), comes with a 61 or 76 key keyboard and costs about DM 11000 (61 key) or DM 14000 (76 key) resp. I beleive it has 16 voices as standard but can be expanded to 32, 48 or 64 voices. > > thanx, > Robert Williams > > P.S. To make it more of a "analogue" subject, what other "digital" synths seem to be able to emulate analogue on a decent level? > Emu Systems "Vintage Keys" (???) 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From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 3 04:10:22 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01205; Mon, 3 May 93 04:09:50 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01200; Mon, 3 May 93 04:09:47 -0400 Received: from iscsvax.uni.edu by iscsvax.uni.edu (PMDF #3072 ) id <01GXQ21TBJTC8WXM2G@iscsvax.uni.edu>; Mon, 3 May 1993 03:10:11 CST Date: 03 May 1993 03:10:11 -0600 (CST) From: FRESHLY OPENED GRAVE Subject: mICROwAVE To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GXQ21TBTGI8WXM2G@iscsvax.uni.edu> X-Envelope-To: ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"ANALOGUE@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR heLLO FRIENDS, Well, I know it is not analogue, but does someone here have a line on a cheap place (<=$1000) to pick up a Waldorf Microwave? I played one for the first time this weekend in the ever overpriced Guitar Center in Chitown while waiting around for the EN show and I fell in love. What a great machine! I had heard all the great reviews, and I found them to be all true. What are the innards of this thing? It sounds to good to be digital! Thouhg I'm sure it mostly is. I know this thing is old hat and that the Wave will be out soon, but I just got around to falling in love with this unit and want to know other opinions\leads on it. thanx, Robert Williams P.S. To make it more of a "analogue" subject, what other "digital" synths seem to be able to emulate analogue on a decent level? From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 19 07:39:07 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA28199; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:38:01 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA28158; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:36:15 -0400 Received: by dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01322; Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:33:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:33:44 +0200 From: georg@nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) Message-Id: <9304191133.AA01322@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, palefox@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: MicroWave Techno Cards Status: OR > Welllll, a week or so ago I made a posting mentioning some ROM cards for > the MicroWave that supposedly emulated the 303. > > My friend in Berlin tried them out, and in his opinion, they are > ultra-lame ( "ziemlich uebel" were his words ). No new wavetables were > made for them. > > This isn't saying the MW can't emulate the 303, just that the cards don't. Thats true, I mean, the Techno Cards ARE lame, lamer, lamest. BUT there is another card, called THE DRUM CARD, by Claudius Bruese, released in the Signature Series, which might be better. I heard the drum and percussion sound of this card during last years Musikmesse Demo, and they sounded great. The card seems to be very expensive, it's a RAM card, price 290,- DM. If you don't know Claudius Bruese, he is the Mastermind behind the WAVE. Georg. Article: 41907 of rec.music.makers.synth Path: news.u.washington.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!yama.mcc.ac.uk!io.salford.ac.uk!ais-W3-149.salford.ac.uk!acg011 From: acg011@news.salford.ac.uk (AP CLIFTON) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Subject: Re: MicroWave opinions? Date: 13 Dec 1994 17:52:24 GMT Organization: University of Salford Lines: 80 Distribution: local, world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ais-w3-149.salford.ac.uk In article arcana@teleport.com (Violet Arcana) writes: >In article , t808@mindvox.phantom.com >(taylor808) wrote: > >> anyone out there own or use a walkdorf microwave? any gushes.. >>...complaints... tips... opinions? I'm considering buying one. >> > >If you like tight analog blips, bells, and deep bass sounds then you can't >go wrong with the Microwave. The filters are great!!!!! I would get one >if I had the cash. > >-david I have owned a Microwave for several years now and wouldn't be parted from it. It has many cons as well as pros, though:- PROS:- It has a unique sound. It sounds rather harsh, metallic and spiky to my ears. It cuts through a mix with ease. It can also have a lot of movement in its sound (sort of like a Wavestation). It is highly programmable, especially in terms of modulation parameters. You can (more or less) modulate anything with anything! You can sweep through a wavetable of different single cycle waveforms. Only Ensoniq's recent synths can really emulate this (Transwaves). It has real analogue filters and amplifiers. Filters have resonance control. It has character! (If you can tame it.) CONS:- -It is only 8-note polyphonic. You can extend this by adding "Waveslave" modules. These are basically a Microwave's innards in a 1U box without any display or controls. Each additional Waveslave increases the total polyphony by a further 8 voices. -It does have a couple of separate outs, but these are monophonic!!!! -Most of the envelopes have only a few stages (ADSR) :-( . -It is not very user friendly. Only a two line LCD display etc. It's not impossible to program though, and you have to program it to get the best out of it. -It doesn't sound very fat, or warm, or rich. Get a true analogue synth if you want this. -It can't imitate "real" instruments. There are NO samples in the Microwave. Get a sample playback module if you want this. -It has NO onboard effects. -It's aggresive spiky sound can be a double-edged sword. It can sound fatiguing if over-used. Its suitability obviously depends on what type of music you are trying to produce. -It is pretty expensive for what you get (only 8-voice poly remember). I got mine for œ700 new in the UK a few years ago. My Waveslave cost me œ300. I had to twist arms to get them at this price. -It is bloody unreliable (at least mine is) :-( . Odd things happen for no apparent reason. E.g.1: preset sounds mutate (Yes, I have changed the battery)- this is actually quite interesting but also potentially very annoying. E.g.2: sustained sounds usually just audibly "click" when you change to a new patch, but sometimes the sustained sound also changes to the new patch. Even stranger things happen at times- I wouldn't dare gig with it. This could just be my machine, but you should be aware that the PPG (from which the Microwave was derived) was notoriously unreliable and full of bugs. CONCLUSION:- If you already have stacks of analogue synths and sample playback machines and want something a little different you could do worse than to audition a Microwave. Be prepared to spend serious money, especially if you want to increase the polyphony or add any (external) effects. If you are looking for a good all-rounder synth that offers value for money, or if you want something to gig with, I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. As the Microwave advert neatly summed it up:- "Difference not Indifference." If anyone has any more specific questions please feel free to e-mail me. Andy. e-mail to: A.P.Clifton@Acoustics.salford.ac.uk