From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Apr 13 15:20:18 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16893; Tue, 13 Apr 93 15:18:59 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from relay2.UU.NET by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA16888; Tue, 13 Apr 93 15:18:58 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15320; Tue, 13 Apr 93 15:18:32 -0400 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 151642.22285; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:16:42 EDT Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23322; Tue, 13 Apr 93 12:01:08 PDT Message-Id: <9304131901.AA23322@korgrd.com> Date: 13 Apr 1993 12:04:07 -0800 From: "Dan" Subject: Re: Re- Jupiter-6!, but pain To: "an excursion through technospac" , nathan@jacobi.biology.YALE.EDU, "Ricard Wolf" Cc: "analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state." Status: OR Reply to: RE>Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in > From: Ricard Wolf > > > > someone said: A bit fatter, not > > > much. > > > > about the jupiter-6 being "not much" fatter than the juno 106. > > > > well, with my experiences and ownins of both synths.. i'd have to differ. > > > > the jupiter is HUGE.. BIG.. LARGE...ala lords of acid hooks... BIG FAT SOUNDS! > > > > the juno is much much thinner... > > > > the big jupiter sounds comes from stacking 12 oscillators with the "unison" > > mode... which still allows to to play poliphonically (!!!!!) > > > > so, you can play a 12 osc. stack.. with 6 keys...if you play a nice big > > 6 octave chord.. you get a 72 oscillator stack... > > HUH!??! The Jp-6 has 6 voices with 2 oscillators each, hence 12 oscillators. > You can't increase that number by pressing buttons (but you could get > another 5 Jp-6's...). You're sure there's no form of unison share mode, where > you get all 12 oscillators no matter how many keys you play? > > /Ricard You are correct - the above poster was confused. As I wrote in my far-too-long (but fairly complete :-) posting on the Jupiters last week: "The JP-6's Unison mode plays all of the voices, all of the time, dividing them as evenly as possible between all sounding notes. That means that with a single note sounding, you heard 6 voices (12 oscillators) stacked together; two notes would get three voices apiece; three notes would get two; and more than that would have one or two notes with two voices, and then the rest with a single voice. This is very cool, because it means that you can (for instance) play 4 note chords every once in a while if you *really* want to - who needs those 7ths and 9ths anyway :-) - and the rest of the time get big, doubled sounds." - Dan Phillips From jneedham@us.oracle.com Tue Apr 13 11:43:44 1993 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA04756; Tue, 13 Apr 93 11:43:42 -0400 Received: from hqpyr1.us.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.com (5.59.11/37.7) id AA10460; Tue, 13 Apr 93 08:43:39 PDT Received: by hqpyr1.us.oracle.com (Oracle 1.12/37.7) id AA21221; Tue, 13 Apr 93 08:29:07 PDT Message-Id: <9304131529.AA21221@hqpyr1.us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 08:29:07 PDT From: "jneedham.US" To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Original-To: HQPYR1:analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR In-Reply-To: HQPYR1:analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of 04-13-93 00:10 > > > another 5 Jp-6's...). You're sure there's no form of unison share mode, where > you get all 12 oscillators no matter how many keys you play? That would be Solo/Unison (using the paradigm) later,jeff From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Apr 13 03:14:49 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA20908; Tue, 13 Apr 93 03:14:17 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nic.lth.se by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA20903; Tue, 13 Apr 93 03:14:15 -0400 Received: from axisab.axis.se by mail.lth.se with bsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nifBv-000MToC; Tue, 13 Apr 93 09:13 MET DST Received: by axisab.axis.se (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.6) id ; Tue, 13 Apr 93 09:13 MET DST Message-Id: From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 09:13:01 MET DST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: an excursion through technospace , nathan@jacobi.biology.YALE.EDU Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR > > > > > someone said: A bit fatter, not > > much. > > about the jupiter-6 being "not much" fatter than the juno 106. > > well, with my experiences and ownins of both synths.. i'd have to differ. > > the jupiter is HUGE.. BIG.. LARGE...ala lords of acid hooks... BIG FAT SOUNDS! > > the juno is much much thinner... > > the big jupiter sounds comes from stacking 12 oscillators with the "unison" > mode... which still allows to to play poliphonically (!!!!!) > > so, you can play a 12 osc. stack.. with 6 keys...if you play a nice big > 6 octave chord.. you get a 72 oscillator stack... HUH!??! The Jp-6 has 6 voices with 2 oscillators each, hence 12 oscillators. You can't increase that number by pressing buttons (but you could get another 5 Jp-6's...). You're sure there's no form of unison share mode, where you get all 12 oscillators no matter how many keys you play? /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "All I want to do is see you, don't you know that it's true" -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 19:48:50 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05413; Fri, 16 Apr 93 19:48:32 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from seas.smu.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05408; Fri, 16 Apr 93 19:48:31 -0400 Received: by seas.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.6) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 18:48 EDT Received: by seas.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.9) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 18:48 EDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 16:20 CST Received: by kf5iw.lonestar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.2) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:47 CDT Received: by cmptrc.lonestar.org ([C] /\==/\ Smail3.1.27.1 #27.13) id m0njrlA-0006ceC; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:51 CDT Message-Id: From: Neal Howard Subject: Re: JP-4 To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 9:51:19 CDT In-Reply-To: <9304151921.AA17261@netcom.netcom.com>; from "magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!analogue-request" at Apr 15, 93 12:21 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > >Roland Jupiter-4 - 4-note polyphonic version of the Jupiter. Yeah, > > love those arpeggiators. > > And those thumb-pistons UNDER the keyboard. Yea bo, what a nice board. > I wish more people designed synths that way, with controls UNDER the Wasn't that a JP-4 doing the random apregiator stuff in the Duran Duran's "Hungry Like the Wolf"? Also wasn't the JP-4 the second production-line synth to have user-programmable patch memory, (First being the Oberheim Four Voice --- with discrete logic, no CPU) being announced on the market just about a week before the P-5 rev 1.0 ? I have a line on where to find a factory service manual for the JP-4, having modified one a decade ago to add 7 more RAM chips to give a total of 8 banks of 8 user presets for 64 user patch locations instead of the stock 8. I simply paralleled the address and data bus lines and multiplexed the chip select line from the original source CS line via a home- brew circuit with a pushbutton bank select and a single digit LED readout to display which bank was selected. It worked great and the owner has been using it without problems ever since. ============================================================================= Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890) ============================================================================= From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 14:52:18 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21827; Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:50:17 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from relay1.UU.NET by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21822; Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:50:15 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via localhost.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19103; Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:50:15 -0400 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 144909.7986; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:49:09 EDT Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20534; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:37:03 PDT Message-Id: <9304161837.AA20534@korgrd.com> Date: 16 Apr 1993 11:21:20 -0800 From: "Dan" Subject: Re: Jupiter 6 owners? To: "Stephen M. Jones" Cc: "Analog Heaven" Status: OR Reply to: RE>Jupiter 6 owners? > From: Stephen M. Jones > Hi.. I have a jupe... I need a Midi eprom upgrade... can someone > point me in the correct direction? Roland Corp. USA. (213) 685-5141 $40. There are three ROMs in the JP-6; one for the master board, and one for each of the two slave boards. You only need the new ROM for the master board; the first person I talked to was confused and thought that the upgrade included 2 ROMs (and was thus going to charge me $80!). Still doesn't memorize channel, so you'll either need to reset it manually or resign yourself to leaving it on channel 1. It will power up with OMNI off, though, thank goodness, and receive MIDI for the lower half of the split on channel 2, as well. - Dan Phillips From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 07:39:35 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA29177; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:37:59 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nic.lth.se by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA29172; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:37:58 -0400 Received: from axisab.axis.se by mail.lth.se with bsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0njojr-000MToC; Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:37 MET DST Received: by axisab.axis.se (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.6) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:36 MET DST Message-Id: From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:36:32 MET DST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: CV mod. for a Juno-6. Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Mail List) Status: OR > ... CV -> JUNO-6 ... > Because the thing is polyphonic, there an instant problem. (How do you send > more than one note simultaneously through one analog port ??????) Probably, > the only way to do this is send monophonic notes to it. The keyboard on the > Juno is a 16 by something matrix, so sending a CV signal thru an ADC and > somehow patching it into the keyboard matrix may be a way. I'm not sure the > approach to take, but I'm going to have to try this. Maybe MIDI to 8-bit > parallel (extract note message and de-multiplex it) or something might work. > Anyone got any ideas ???? Well, if you _really_ want to connect your beloved '6 to CV, going via the keyboard matrix is a way which affects the existing hardware the least. Otherwise you have to modify the CPU and related electronics; a bit more difficult. If you build a seperate device that accepts several CV/gate signals and does key assignment on them and maps them onto the keyboard matrix, that would work if you wanted polyphony, but it _is_ a bit of a roundabout way, although it may be the only way possible in a certain situation. /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Boing Boom Tschak" -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 03:54:51 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26640; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:53:03 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26632; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:52:54 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA08620; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:52:51 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12) id AA29249; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:52:50 -0500 Received: from dub-tse ([145.21.14.7]) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA07687; Fri, 16 Apr 93 02:53:02 CDT Message-Id: <9304160753.AA07687@comm.mot.com> Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA14956; Fri, 16 Apr 93 08:49:09 +0100 From: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: CV mod. for a Juno-6. To: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) (Ricard Wolf) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 8:49:08 BST Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Mail List) In-Reply-To: ; from "Ricard Wolf" at Apr 16, 93 9:05 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > > The Juno's all have digial oscillators (DCO's). So, CV/gate is a problem > here. If you had a Juno-60 (Juno-6 with DCB and programmability) you could > get an MD-8 or whatever it is called to drive the DCB input from CV/gate. > > Or you could get a Juno-106 which has MIDI... > > Anyone have a go at putting DCB in a Juno-6 (naaay, no-one's that crazy...) > > /Ricard Because the thing is polyphonic, there an instant problem. (How do you send more than one note simultaneously through one analog port ??????) Probably, the only way to do this is send monophonic notes to it. The keyboard on the Juno is a 16 by something matrix, so sending a CV signal thru an ADC and somehow patching it into the keyboard matrix may be a way. I'm not sure the approach to take, but I'm going to have to try this. Maybe MIDI to 8-bit parallel (extract note message and de-multiplex it) or something might work. Anyone got any ideas ???? -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Apr 16 03:26:49 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26210; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:25:24 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from nic.lth.se by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA26205; Fri, 16 Apr 93 03:25:22 -0400 Received: from axisab.axis.se by mail.lth.se with bsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0njkn8-000MTpC; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:24 MET DST Received: by axisab.axis.se (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.6) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:05 MET DST Message-Id: From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:05:12 MET DST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Steven Collins), analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: CV mod. for a Juno-6. Status: OR > > I've recently acquired 2 Juno-6's (twists of fate and all that). Anyhow, > discovered to my dismay that they don't come with a CV in (or out), and only > have a clock in for the arpeggio (and a VCF in which IS nice). Anybody have > any idea offhand, whether its a big kob to modify the board to accept a CV > (trigger and note). The Juno's all have digial oscillators (DCO's). So, CV/gate is a problem here. If you had a Juno-60 (Juno-6 with DCB and programmability) you could get an MD-8 or whatever it is called to drive the DCB input from CV/gate. Or you could get a Juno-106 which has MIDI... Anyone have a go at putting DCB in a Juno-6 (naaay, no-one's that crazy...) /Ricard -- Ricard Wolf / | \ / | /- email: ricard@axis.se Axis Communications AB /__| \/ | \__ uucp: axisab.se!ricard S - 223 70 LUND / | /\ | \ Tel: +46 46 19 18 63 SWEDEN / | / \ | \__/ Fax: +46 46 13 61 30 -- "Boing Boom Tschak" -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 15 20:42:14 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15770; Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:39:11 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from hitwide.hitachi.co.jp by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15757; Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:39:02 -0400 Received: from [133.144.31.130] by hitwide.hitachi.co.jp (5.65/2.7W-HINOC) id AA00355; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:38:54 +0900 Received: from hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp by hcrlgw92.crl.hitachi.co.jp (4.1/6.4J.6) id AA18032; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:38:53 JST Received: by hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp (4.0/6.4J.6) id AA27100; Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:38:51 JST Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 09:38:51 JST From: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp (Steven Collins) Return-Path: Message-Id: <9304160038.AA27100@hcrlgw.crl.hitachi.co.jp> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: CV mod. for a Juno-6. Status: OR I've recently acquired 2 Juno-6's (twists of fate and all that). Anyhow, discovered to my dismay that they don't come with a CV in (or out), and only have a clock in for the arpeggio (and a VCF in which IS nice). Anybody have any idea offhand, whether its a big kob to modify the board to accept a CV (trigger and note). steve --- +-------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Steven Collins, Visiting Researcher | email: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo | ph: (0423)-23-1111 fax: (0423) 27-7742 | +-------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 15 20:09:21 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14599; Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:07:17 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14594; Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:07:16 -0400 Received: from gatech.edu by usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-UUCPGW) id AA20415; Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:07:13 -0400 (from letni!sdf!smj@seas.smu.edu for analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by gatech with SMTP id AB27299 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:08:14 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.14/uucp) with SMTP id AA14022; Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:07:03 -0500 Received: from seas.smu.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA00748; Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:07:15 -0500 Received: by seas.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.6) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:06 EDT Received: by seas.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.9) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:06 EDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:53 CST Received: by sdf.LoneStar.ORG (Smail3.1.25.1) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:07 CDT Message-Id: From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) Subject: Jupiter 6 owners? To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:07:56 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hi.. I have a jupe... I need a Midi eprom upgrade... can someone point me in the correct direction? From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 15 15:54:25 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01528; Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:53:32 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from [130.132.1.2] by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01522; Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:53:27 -0400 Received: from JACOBI.BIOLOGY.YALE.EDU by bulldog.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 15:53:25 -0400 Received: by jacobi.biology.yale.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA08079; Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:53:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:53:25 -0400 From: Nathan F. Janette Message-Id: <9304151953.AA08079@jacobi.biology.yale.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: analogue envy Status: OR > >Roland Jupiter-4 > > And those thumb-pistons UNDER the keyboard. Yea bo, what a nice board. I > wish more people designed synths that way, with controls UNDER the keys; That idea was taken directly from pipe organ consoles. There are "presets", which are stored combinations of stops (individual organ voices), which are accessed from thumb buttons under the manuals (keyboards), and often from pedal (foot) buttons as well. --- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 17:43:19 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13629; Thu, 8 Apr 93 17:43:08 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13624; Thu, 8 Apr 93 17:43:06 -0400 Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA23656; Thu, 8 Apr 93 17:42:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 17:42:45 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poison To The Mind) Message-Id: <9304082142.AA23656@silver.lcs.mit.edu> To: bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov, jdisegi@acs.bu.edu, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR I wonder if St Etienne uses _anything__.. in their last interview, they said that they basically hire a pile of musicians and say "We want it to sound like x and such" and they pay them well.. -john From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 17:00:08 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11598; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:59:54 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11593; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:59:53 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA27165; Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:59:52 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304082059.AA27165@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: nathan@jacobi.biology.YALE.EDU (Nathan F. Janette) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:59:51 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304082030.AA03451@jacobi.biology.yale.edu>; from "Nathan F. Janette" at Apr 8, 93 4:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >> > an extra DCO and crossmodulation routings. Interesting! BTW, I think >> > the voices are velocity sensitive via MIDI, tho the keyboard is not. > >> Hmm...if there is velocity sensing via MIDI, I've not found it yet. > >Perhaps Metlay is thinking of the JX3P, which doesn't have a velocity >keyboard, but Roland offered a ROM upgrade that allowed MIDI channel >selection and velocity response via MIDI. Erm, yes and no. I know that the JX3P does this, but I had thought (based on a possibly misremembered conversation with another JP6 owner) that the JP6 could do this as well. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 16:31:06 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA10113; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:30:53 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from [130.132.1.2] by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA10105; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:30:50 -0400 Received: from JACOBI.BIOLOGY.YALE.EDU by bulldog.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:30:43 -0400 Received: by jacobi.biology.yale.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA03451; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:30:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:30:38 -0400 From: Nathan F. Janette Message-Id: <9304082030.AA03451@jacobi.biology.yale.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Status: OR > > This implies that the JP-6 is a superset of the Juno-106 and Juno-60 with > > an extra DCO and crossmodulation routings. Interesting! BTW, I think > > the voices are velocity sensitive via MIDI, tho the keyboard is not. > > Hmm...if there is velocity sensing via MIDI, I've not found it yet. Perhaps Metlay is thinking of the JX3P, which doesn't have a velocity keyboard, but Roland offered a ROM upgrade that allowed MIDI channel selection and velocity response via MIDI. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 16:06:47 1993 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA17781; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:06:20 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA17776; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:06:18 -0400 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA19173; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:04:30 CDT From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Message-Id: <9304082004.AA19173@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:04:29 CDT In-Reply-To: <9304081922.AA16253@netcom.netcom.com>; from "metlay" at Apr 8, 93 12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: OR Previously, metlay wrote: > > >The JP-6, of course, has a bit more than that over the Juno-106, including > >a splitable keyboard, and arpagiator, and most importantly, *lots* more LEDs. > > This implies that the JP-6 is a superset of the Juno-106 and Juno-60 with > an extra DCO and crossmodulation routings. Interesting! BTW, I think the > voices are velocity sensitive via MIDI, tho the keyboard is not. Can you Hmm...if there is velocity sensing via MIDI, I've not found it yet. I've done some stuff on the Mac both in Finale and MTP4 that used velocity sense calls, and my JP-6 wasn't picking up on 'em at all. Could be doing something wrong here, of course, cos the JP-6 isn't quite the kind of MIDI implementation we all know and love nowadays, but what I ran across leads me to wonder if the call is there even via MIDI. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 16:01:08 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA08573; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:00:53 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from cs.brown.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA08568; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:00:51 -0400 Received: from cslab4g.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.6) id AA00915; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:00:51 -0400 Received: by cslab4g.cs.brown.edu (5.64+/BrownCS-1.2) id AA14831; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:00:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Reply-To: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: analogue heaven In-Reply-To: <9304081939.AA19105@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Status: OR for what it's worth (not much perhaps), here are the asking prices for a Jupiter-6 listed in the rec.music.synth used pricelist: Roland Jupiter-6 ^350,^400,^410,^425,^425,^425,^425,^450,800 (note that the ones with ^ are non-recent, i.e. pre-1993) mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 15:46:21 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07899; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:46:08 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from enet-gw.pa.dec.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07894; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:46:06 -0400 Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA23121; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:46:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9304081946.AA23121@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Received: from ranger.enet; by decwrl.enet; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:46:04 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:46:04 PDT From: I've been stolen by a gypsy. 08-Apr-1993 1543 To: "bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov"@us1rmc.enet.dec.com Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com Apparently-To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Status: OR There is no real equivalent (keyboard) of the MKS-80, or so I am told. I'm not that familar with the JP-8 or the JX-8P. I find this easy to believe after working with an MKS-80 for a little while. Alot of things about it are not too similar to the keyboards. For example, the LCD display and the largish amount of text on it was not to become a keyboard feature until the D-50 hit. Eirikur From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 15:41:42 1993 Received: by top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA02790; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:41:17 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA02781; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:41:13 -0400 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA19105; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:39:27 CDT From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Message-Id: <9304081939.AA19105@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:39:26 CDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304081645.AA27618@netcom.netcom.com>; from "metlay" at Apr 8, 93 9:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: OR Previously, metlay wrote: > > > >As I am always scrounging the back rooms of Boston music stores looking for > >ignorrant digital-jock salesmen to sell me their old stuff for nothing, I > >found a Jupiter-6 for $240.00! > > That's a damn good price.... > > >Here is the catch: One oscillator is broken, and because of this, the polyphony > >is all screwed up. I am estimating that it will cost about $200.00 to fix. > > If it were working properly. For a fixit special, that's too much. A total > of $440 for a JP-6 is not a great deal; it's a nice enough synth, but you > can get rebuilt ones from Rogue for a lot less than $440, I should think. Hmmm...maybe not. When I was putting my setup together (the first version of it, that is), I found a JP-6 in mint condition at Tusculum in Nashville for $700. I did some calling about to try and find a lower price, and this included calls to Rogue and Caruso's. Rogue was tossing out prices comparable to the one I'd found, "if we had one", they'd say. Caruso's wanted $900 for one in the same shape. To say the least, I bought the one in Nashville. Now granted, this was back in Spring, 1990, but I wouldn't think the prices on this vintage of synths has changed all that much in just two or three years. If it has, I'm going to find some money nd go _nuts_! :) D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 15:22:36 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06498; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:22:21 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06486; Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:22:17 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA16253; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:22:18 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304081922.AA16253@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: nathan@jacobi.biology.YALE.EDU (Nathan F. Janette) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:22:18 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304081748.AA03225@jacobi.biology.yale.edu>; from "Nathan F. Janette" at Apr 8, 93 1:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >Good to see you, Metlay. Almost makes it worth wading through the dozens >of posts about 303 this and 808 that from the techno heads. Hello, Nathan. How's your T8 treating you? Still having tuning problems? >The JP-6, of course, has a bit more than that over the Juno-106, including >a splitable keyboard, and arpagiator, and most importantly, *lots* more LEDs. This implies that the JP-6 is a superset of the Juno-106 and Juno-60 with an extra DCO and crossmodulation routings. Interesting! BTW, I think the voices are velocity sensitive via MIDI, tho the keyboard is not. Can you modulate pulse width from the Envelope? Are there two Envs available? -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 14:35:19 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03742; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:35:08 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from stargate.jpl.nasa.gov by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03737; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:35:07 -0400 Received: by stargate.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id AA08365; Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:31:09 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:31:09 PDT From: bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan Campbell) Message-Id: <9304081831.AA08365@stargate.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR >>. And lastly, should I just >>wait and save up for a Jupiter-8? What are the main differences between a >>6 and 8? (well, the jupiter-8 has to be cool, St. Etienne uses them!) > >The JP-8 is a much fatter synth than the JP-6, but MIDIed ones are quite >costly. I have the rack mount equivalent of the JP-8, the MKS80, with the MPG-80 4 space rack-mount editor. It is _fantastic_. I wouldn't trade it for anything (in fact, I'm considering buying a second one). I think the only difference between the MKS80 and the JP-8 is the on-board appregiator. I've never seen a JP-8 though, so I could be completely full o' crap on this. Bryan C. P.S. Oh, and the MKS80 comes with MIDI. Unlike the JP-8 which would require a ~$300 retro-fit. From JNEEDHAM@us.oracle.com Thu Apr 8 14:24:33 1993 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03152; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:24:29 -0400 Received: from hqpyr1.us.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.com (5.59.11/37.7) id AA09735; Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:24:27 PDT Received: by hqpyr1.us.oracle.com (Oracle 1.12/37.7) id AA18128; Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:13:12 PDT Message-Id: <9304081813.AA18128@hqpyr1.us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:13:12 PDT From: "JNEEDHAM.US" To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Original-To: HQPYR1:analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR In-Reply-To: HQPYR1:analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of 04-08-93 09:24 The jupiter6 uses Curtis OSCs, so availability will not be an issue. Almost everything of this generation used them (OB-??, Jup6, Prophets) The Juno 106 contains Roland DCOs, not Curtis OSCs. This may me a minor point, as the VCF is common (rumour, having never seen Juno106 schematics) A lot more voice flexibility than the -8, but not as fat. Has more FM and combined waveform support (exclusive on the -8). No random arppegio. Adequat MIDI support. Voice Detune (ala Oberhiem OB-??) and hyper unision (voice assignment is a function of keys held). No sine wave. me From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 13:48:53 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA00997; Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:48:38 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from [130.132.1.2] by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA00989; Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:48:37 -0400 Received: from JACOBI.BIOLOGY.YALE.EDU by bulldog.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 13:48:32 -0400 Received: by jacobi.biology.yale.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA03225; Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:48:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 13:48:30 -0400 From: Nathan F. Janette Message-Id: <9304081748.AA03225@jacobi.biology.yale.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Status: OR > > So, how is the sound of a Jupiter-6 compare to a juno-106, for instance. > > (I assume it is fatter due to more oscillators.) > basically it's a JU106 with two DCOs instead of one. A bit fatter, not > much. Good to see you, Metlay. Almost makes it worth wading through the dozens of posts about 303 this and 808 that from the techno heads. The JP-6, of course, has a bit more than that over the Juno-106, including a splitable keyboard, and arpagiator, and most importantly, *lots* more LEDs. -Nathan From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 12:45:30 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA27074; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:45:12 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA27068; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:45:10 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA27618; Thu, 8 Apr 93 09:45:14 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304081645.AA27618@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. To: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 9:45:14 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304081613.AA112542@acs.bu.edu>; from "Jonathan Disegi" at Apr 8, 93 12:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >As I am always scrounging the back rooms of Boston music stores looking for >ignorrant digital-jock salesmen to sell me their old stuff for nothing, I >found a Jupiter-6 for $240.00! That's a damn good price.... >Here is the catch: One oscillator is broken, and because of this, the polyphony >is all screwed up. I am estimating that it will cost about $200.00 to fix. If it were working properly. For a fixit special, that's too much. A total of $440 for a JP-6 is not a great deal; it's a nice enough synth, but you can get rebuilt ones from Rogue for a lot less than $440, I should think. >. So, how is the sound of a >Jupiter-6 compare to a juno-106, for instance. (I assume it is fatter due to >more oscillators.) basically it's a JU106 with two DCOs instead of one. A bit fatter, not much. >. And lastly, should I just >wait and save up for a Jupiter-8? What are the main differences between a >6 and 8? (well, the jupiter-8 has to be cool, St. Etienne uses them!) The JP-8 is a much fatter synth than the JP-6, but MIDIed ones are quite costly. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been seduced by the Dark Side of the MIDI spec. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 12:13:52 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA25126; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:13:42 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA25121; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:13:41 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA112542; Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:13:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:13:53 -0400 From: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Message-Id: <9304081613.AA112542@acs.bu.edu> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Status: OR As I am always scrounging the back rooms of Boston music stores looking for ignorrant digital-jock salesmen to sell me their old stuff for nothing, I found a Jupiter-6 for $240.00! Here is the catch: One oscillator is broken, and because of this, the polyphony is all screwed up. I am estimating that it will cost about $200.00 to fix. My question is, is it this a good deal for a poor college student like myself. I know that it is a really good price for a Jupiter-6, but it would be a pain in the ass to get someone to fix it, and I wouldn't be able to fix it for a while. Secondly, I already have a lot of other analog boards, but this one looks a little more complex than say, a 106. So, how is the sound of a Jupiter-6 compare to a juno-106, for instance. (I assume it is fatter due to more oscillators.) (and damn, that jupiter would look so good next to my msq-700! What is the street price of a jupiter-6. And lastly, should I just wait and save up for a Jupiter-8? What are the main differences between a 6 and 8? (well, the jupiter-8 has to be cool, St. Etienne uses them!) well, enough rambling, and thanks for the advice, Jonathan Disegi jdisegi@acs.bu.edu Boston University From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 23:37:37 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03886; Wed, 7 Apr 93 23:37:27 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from spool.UU.NET by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03880; Wed, 7 Apr 93 23:37:25 -0400 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by spool.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-uucp-primary) id AA09404; Wed, 7 Apr 93 23:37:23 -0400 Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15031; Wed, 7 Apr 93 11:35:53 PDT Message-Id: <9304071835.AA15031@korgrd.com> Date: 7 Apr 1993 11:36:49 -0800 From: "Dan" Subject: Re- Re- Creating Analog Sy To: "Analog Heaven" Status: OR RE:Re: Re- Creating Analog Sy 11:34 AM 4/7/93 > Just on the subject of manuals... I've just bought a Roland R70. I've done > so in Japan, and thus got a Japanese manual. Fair enough, I didn't expect the > shop to have an English manualed version. However I didn't expect to have to > pay 4,000 yen (=$35) for an English version, but this is what Roland insisted > on. In fact, I wasn't even able to order it direct, I must go back to the > shop I bought the R70, and request that they send in the order. Roland > wouldn't accept orders for manual from individuals. I'm sorry, but I didn't > accept this. So I'm photo-copying a friend's, and sod copyright. > > Steve Hmmmm....Roland Corp. USA just took my order for the JP-6 manual over the phone. No questions, no hassle, $7.50. Perhaps this is because the JP-6 is so long discontinued... - Dan From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 8 18:10:04 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14832; Thu, 8 Apr 93 18:09:53 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14826; Thu, 8 Apr 93 18:09:50 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA65164; Thu, 8 Apr 93 18:09:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 18:09:54 -0400 From: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Message-Id: <9304082209.AA65164@acs.bu.edu> To: bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov, jdisegi@acs.bu.edu, jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jupiter-6!, but pain in ass. Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR St. Etienne are one of the best, most underrated bands out there right now. They define any of the trendy music genres, but they are way too British to ever be popular in the States. Bob Stanley plays a Prophet 5 and Roland Jupiter, and Pete Wiggs plays A Rouge Moog and Emax. However, I would imagine that yes, they might hire a few musicians for their complex sound. From mr808@teleport.comMon Apr 3 13:12:24 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 03:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mutant Rhythmatist To: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.mtsac.edu> Cc: ANALOGUE@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Jupiter and Juno On Sat, 1 Apr 1995, Scott wrote: > Can somebody explain to me the big noticeable differences in sound between > the Juno 106 and the Jupiter 8? Was Juno targeted as a "more affordable" > keyboard? I'd like to take this oportunity to refute the assertion made last week that the Junos had the same features as 80-90% of the Jupiter8 sounds ever made... The Juno 106 has a single digitally controlled analogue VCO (w/ a divider to create sub-harmonics). The hallmark of the 106 is its ability to make great bass sounds, though it is capable of MUCH more in the hands of a good programmer. It's VCF is kinda wet sounding. Oh, it has MIDI, and can be controlled via SysEx. The Jupiter 8 was a monster from another era. The 2 VCOs in the JP8 are mostly discrete analogue circuitry, and are Syncable and FMable. Anyone who thinks you can make a Juno emulate a Synced FM patch is clueless. The VCF is the most liquid sounding filter I've ever heard. Open up the sustain & release & the sound just bubbles & swirls. Last week someone played a tape for me w/ distinctive water droplet sounds. I immediately said "Jupiter 8", and I was right. The JP8 is pre-MIDI, though later versions have a DCB bus, and MIDI kits were available at one time. Most noteable feature of the JP8 lacking from later Roland products - the Random Arpeggiator. The Jupiter 6 was conceived as a cheaper JP8, the Juno106 as a cheaper JP6. They both have their strengths & weaknesses - a Juno106 has better bass & is more useful if you use MIDI; the Jupiter8 is a more gorgeous organic sounding synth. Use your ears. PEACEOUT From MOOGMAN@aol.comMon Apr 3 13:13:11 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 00:51:21 -0400 From: MOOGMAN@aol.com To: leitner@cs.odu.edu, 1SHW1010@ibm.mtsac.edu Cc: ANALOGUE@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Jupiter and Juno As far as I understand it. Roland was developing 2 different product lines in the early eighties, much the same as they do now. The Juno line which consisted of Juno 6, 60 106 1 & 2 was the affordable line and was carried by just about any music store. Prices were kept down by cost cutting methods including designing single components which performed the functions of groups of descrete components. This affected the sound. As a result of this ,little tricks were employed, like Sub-oscillators,or the famous Roland Chorus circuits. They fattened up the sound , and provided the most "bang for the buck". All Juno's retail list prices never exceeded $2000. The JX line was also develped parallel to the Juno line with one major difference. Two oscillators instead of One. The Jupiter line was the Top Shelf Professional Synth of the day. Remember price tags for Jupiter 6's & 8's were $2900, & 4999 respectively. Someone else posted the difference in synth engines being DCO's for JUNO series and VCO's for JUPITERS. JX's also used DCO's but with 2 oscillators were closer to Jupiters in thick full sound, rich in harmonics by detuning. But anyone who owns a Jupiter 8 can verify that the circuit design around the VCO, which is a transistor array in the case of the Jupiter 8 and NOT in the Jupiter 6. allows the fullest and richest strings , with harmonic content rich and deep. I hope this helps out. Larry