From ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.eduWed Apr 26 13:38:15 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Brandt To: analogue heaven Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 Disclaimer: I've only had my 6r for a couple of months. > what do people who have or have had them think of them > from a programming point of view and just how do you think they sound? The 6r is usefully programmable from the front panel (YMMV), though as a friend said, the interface is more like a microwave than an analog synth. I made a reference sheet with all of the parameter codes on it (PostScript), if anyone else thinks that only printing this on the *top* of a rackmount device is pretty silly... You get a fair amount of goodies per voice: two oscillators, three envelopes (DADSR, not too snappy), two ramp generators (like attack-only envelopes), two LFOs, a "tracker" (like a control-voltage reshaper -- nice), and a four-pole lowpass. LFO waveforms include S+H. Osc1 can be synced to osc2; osc2 has a detune parameter instead, and noise as a wavetype option. The oscs have PWM, and also can be modulated between triangle and saw. Filter cutoff can be FMed by osc1. It's got some odd little features like env retriggering by lfo1, some of which I'm probably forgetting. I don't have a lot of points of comparison for the sound, but I'd say it tends to be somewhat dry and edgy. Detuned oscs sound sweepy rather than fat, and hard sync is pretty hard (can anybody explain in detail what the three kinds of CEM sync do?). With all of the modulation, you can get some very complicated sounds, which can get entirely out of hand (fun!) if mod depths are too high. The filter will self-oscillate at res 63, but not below, so it never starts to really distort. Wonder if there's a trim pot somewhere... There are some things that it can't do that I wish it could, but on the other hand, it's cheap. MIDI CC's as mod sources would be nice for highly controllable patches. Oscs would be great as mod sources (I'd love to put audio through the tracker), but I doubt the CPU -- a 6809, I think the poor thing is -- could handle audio-rate modulation. Switchable filter types. Routing LFOs into the audio path. PWM on LFOs. Feedback paths on the LFOs don't seem to work properly. Sine LFOs. External audio in! > really diddled with it a bit in music stores. the basic params make a lot > of sense, but i've always had some trouble with making the mod matrix do > anything. The mod matrix is like having ten patch cords on a modular, though unfortunately you can't plug them in just anywhere. The mod generators all have programmed destinations already, but you can just set env3 filter FM amount to zero, for example, and tell env3 to mod filter resonance instead. Surprisingly, you can run out of mods, particularly when it takes more than one to do something. Cancelling keyboard tracking on osc1, for example, takes four mods. > perhaps programming tips and things would be helpful too. and are there > good patch editors for the M1000 (since you cant edit it from the panel). Temporarily, there's some m1k and m6r stuff in ~ftp/tmp on ftp.transoniq.com: v_lib100.zip, obiex150.arc, 1000bnk.bnk. I haven't booted DOS since I got them, so I don't know anything... If anybody has sysex docs for these boxes, I will eagerly pay for copying, etc. -- Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu From fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.eduWed Apr 26 13:56:32 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:44:38 CST From: fEEd To: analogue@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 >There are some things that it can't do that I wish it could, but on >the other hand, it's cheap. MIDI CC's as mod sources would be nice >for highly controllable patches. i am pretty sure the matrix 6 will do this...... Rob fEEd/>tEMpESt<\http://www.ivi.com/~robw<\fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu/>robw@ivi.com "FILTER MAINTENANCE- After every 100 hours of operation apply a sine wave to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog your filter." - EML 101 Manual From ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.eduWed Apr 26 17:27:14 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Brandt To: analogue heaven Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 > >MIDI CC's as mod sources would be nice > >for highly controllable patches. > > i am pretty sure the matrix 6 will do this...... You can use some CC's -- bend, mod wheel, reverse mod wheel, mono pressure. What I meant was picking arbitrary controllers, like you can do with the K2000. Not a fair comparison, I know... Oh, a 6r question: is there some trick to getting it to do stereo? In split mode, one patch should come out each channel, right? I get both out the left/mono jack, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a 6r over a 1k. -- Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu From fleep@mpx.com.auWed Apr 26 18:00:41 1995 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:50:13 +1000 From: Phillip Mills To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: analogue heaven Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 At 10:51 26/4/95, Mike Perkowitz wrote: >the matrix 6r (maybe M1000) is definitely on my wishlist.. i've only >really diddled with it a bit in music stores. the basic params make a lot >of sense, but i've always had some trouble with making the mod matrix do >anything. the whole thing looks like a fantastic tool for deep control >over your sounds. what do people who have or have had them think of them >from a programming point of view and just how do you think they sound? > >perhaps programming tips and things would be helpful too. and are there >good patch editors for the M1000 (since you cant edit it from the panel). >any in the public domain? i have x-or.. does it have a good M1000 editor? Well.... The matrix mod took some time to get my head around but i finally did it. The best way to learn is to make a grid and write all them down on an X/Y axis. (I will recreate this later on) The easiest way i found was to work on a single osc/fil/amp and then work on the modulation with just that single osc before jumping onto the second. Some matrix mods use the second osc and therefore you should bypass those and work with the mods that only replicate the single osc. The Matrix 6r has all the mods and what they do on the top of the box (bloody stupid once you put it in a rack) and it can be easily followed. The only difference is to get a Matrix 6/6r than a 1000 as the 1000 is mono (correct me if i am wrong) and the 6/6r is stereo. Sometime in the near future after i finish building my studio/fx box/kitchen/ and all the other things, i will type up a pile of things i have found with it! fleep! From ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.eduWed Apr 26 18:20:50 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Brandt To: analogue heaven Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 > in my understanding, the M1000 is monotimbral and the M6 bitimbral. so > even if they come out the same jack, at least you get two different > sounds on the M6. yes? OK, I exaggerated. You do get the bitimbrality. But I'd like to be able to process and pan the channels differently. News flash: I just went and, uh, read the manual. Master Edit parameter 56 is "stereo". It needs to be, uh, turned on. Enough playing, back to thesis-spewing... -- Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu From ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.eduWed Apr 26 18:24:30 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Brandt To: analogue heaven Subject: Re: oh no not again > > rate in which it bends seems to change on the 303 depending on how far it > > has to go (constant pitch-per-time rather than constant time?). > > Very observant! You are hereby crowned this week's "AcidHead". As long as I'm hyping the Matrix-6, I'll mention that it has a pretty cool portamento section. It can do linear constant-rate, linear constant-time, and exponential, and you can feed LFOs through portamento (though this doesn't usually do what I expect it to). You can get interesting sounds setting one osc to keyboard, and the other to portamento... -- Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu From tonycapp@earthlink.netThu Apr 27 00:02:23 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 23:47 PDT From: Tony Cappellini To: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: Matrix 6/Matrix 1000 voice architecture From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 >>in my understanding, the M1000 is monotimbral and the M6 bitimbral. so >>even if they come out the same jack, at least you get two different >>sounds on the M6. yes? >>m Even though the M6 and M1000 have the same voice architecture, the Matrix 6 can do split patches with the following combinations ... 4 + 2, 2 + 4, 6 + 0, 0 + 6. These can be midi splits, too. In split mode, you can setup one patch to play from the left jack, another patch to play from the right jack. You must enable the Stereo On feature, Master Edit Parameter 56. When splits are enabled and Stereo is enabled, the left jack will output the patch that is assigned to the lower zone , and the right jack will output the patch assigned to the upper zone. This is the only time the right output jack will have a signal present !! > Oh, a 6r question: is there some trick to getting it to do stereo? In > split mode, one patch should come out each channel, right? I get both > out the left/mono jack, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a 6r > over a 1k. You must program the split points for EACH patch. THere are 50 split patches in additiion to the normal 100 voice patches. The split patches assign which zone plays a particular patch, the keyboard range of each zone, transpositions, the midi channel for each zone (not very flexible), and the volume balance between the split patches. A neat feature of using the splits is overlapping the zones so you can double the patches. TC From ebrandt@muddcs.cs.hmc.eduThu Apr 27 18:44:41 1995 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Brandt To: analogue heaven Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 > Question. Is there a way to change patches when you are in the > splits mode, by MIDI? My 6r responds to patch changes whether it's in patch-select or split-select mode. So you select split 17 by hitting "splits" on the front panel, then sending a patch 17 message. If you forget the first step, you get patch 17 instead. > Also, does anyone have a higher version of the system software? I > have 1.05, if Wow, that's old. :-) This might have something to do with it. I dunno about upgrading... Legion asked about m-1000 editors. There's an alleged m-1000 editor on ftp.transoniq.com: ~ftp/tmp/v_lib100.zip -- if it's gone by now I can mail a copy. I'd donate for an AH mailing-list machine, if the plan gets in motion before I drop off-line for the summer. It could be named ah.hyperreal.com or something, the AH Memorial Server. :-) -- Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu From sngruhl@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.deThu Apr 27 16:52:34 1995 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:50:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Stefan Gruhl (CIP 92)" To: analogue@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: tool of the week: matrix 6/1000 > > >There are some things that it can't do that I wish it could, but on > >the other hand, it's cheap. MIDI CC's as mod sources would be nice > >for highly controllable patches. > > > i am pretty sure the matrix 6 will do this...... > > And I am ablolutely shure. The manual sais: you got 2 Pedals 3 Levers Pressure velocity and release velocity. (the midi numbers are: 7,64,bender,1,2,pressure, plus 2x fixed with note) Another questions: I read that the front inpute marked "remote" is for a programmer !!!! Never heard of one. Did you ? Is there mayby something like 99 fader and buttons box out there. MAybe even with a patchmatrix ? :-) steve -- * real electronic composers don't like their music be restricted * * to the physical limitations of the human hand - AH - a great list * * Stefan Gruhl * sngruhl@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de * * Monthly bonus sig: ************************************************ * "The course of true SOUND never did run smooth" * * freely taken from Midsummernights dream by Willy S. * ********************************************************************* *