From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Apr 20 15:36:14 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA17177; Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:35:56 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA17172; Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:35:54 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA12284; Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:32:26 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA02010; Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:32:26 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:32:26 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304201932.AA02010@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: EX-800 Lacks Sustain Status: OR Peter Cassidy: > Oops. Mine didn't. I was controlling it from a Juno 106. Maybe it wasn't set > up too send/receive control changes. I'll have to investigate !! Hey, I'm controlling my EX-800 from my Juno-106, too! I love how the sounds stack; yummie!! The EX-800 doesn't respond to sustain (controller 64) and in order for it to respond to program changes, you have to manually enable parameter 88. The manual says that this parameter's value is retained even after you turn off the power, but this has NOT been my experience. The MIDI implementation chart says the EX-800 responds to note on, note off, DCO modulation (Bn01), VCF modulation (Bn02), omni mode on, omni mode off, program change, and pitch bender. (where 0 <= n <= 15 for MIDI channel.) > BTW Why does the EX800 have MIDI out. I mean, what's it FOR ??? It can't be > of much use without a keyboard or PB/Mod wheels ?? It's for sysex dumps. I'm still looking for a patch/librarian program for my PC. Haven't had the time to hack out a keynote librarian, yet. -- Bill Fox * Fox's Den Recording Studio * Nazareth, PA * wbf@alux1.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ".nam daed no em nruT" From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Apr 20 14:21:27 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13196; Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:21:11 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA13190; Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:21:08 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA03488; Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:21:07 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA17894; Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:21:06 -0500 Received: from dub-tse (dub-tse.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA00452; Tue, 20 Apr 93 13:21:55 CDT Message-Id: <9304201821.AA00452@comm.mot.com> Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA28251; Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:17:35 +0100 From: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: EX-800 Lacks Sustain To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Mail List) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:17:34 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > my knowldedge. I'd imagine Dan might know someone who knows, or at least > have a phone number to call and ask. And the EX-8000 DOES respond to sustain, > as well as notes, pitch bend, and MIDI controllers 1,2, and 7. > > mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com > Oops. Mine didn't. I was controlling it from a Juno 106. Maybe it wasn't set up too send/receive control changes. I'll have to investigate !! BTW Why does the EX800 have MIDI out. I mean, what's it FOR ??? It can't be of much use without a keyboard or PB/Mod wheels ?? -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Apr 20 14:07:53 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12489; Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:07:37 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12478; Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:07:34 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA26217; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:07:44 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9304201807.AA26217@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: EX-800 Lacks Sustain To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:07:43 PDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304201514.AA29188@alux1.cnet.att.com>; from "wbf@aluxpo.att.com" at Apr 20, 93 11:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > In using the Korg EX-800, I've found that it doesn't respond to >my sustain pedal. Checking the MIDI implementation chart seems to >indicate that it wasn't designed to respond to controller 64; bummer! >It seems to me that it would take new software to add this basic >feature. Which begs the question, are there various software revisions? >If so, did one add sustain? Does anybody have a phone number for Korg? >I'd like to call and find out. Mike Metlay: Does your EX-8000 respond >to sustain? Ahem: No, that's right, it doesn't. It is a bummer, but the early Korgs often omitted this feature. (Like the Polysix you just bought.) The Poly800 was a strapon, so this was a natural omission. It would take new software and a hook in the architecture to do this, and it has never been done to my knowldedge. I'd imagine Dan might know someone who knows, or at least have a phone number to call and ask. And the EX-8000 DOES respond to sustain, as well as notes, pitch bend, and MIDI controllers 1,2, and 7. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can morph clay, but you can't morph Lego. (n. rothwell) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Apr 22 09:41:38 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18743; Thu, 22 Apr 93 09:41:24 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18738; Thu, 22 Apr 93 09:41:23 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA10378; Thu, 22 Apr 93 09:35:19 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA20508; Thu, 22 Apr 93 09:35:11 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 09:35:11 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304221335.AA20508@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, map@cs.brown.edu Subject: EX-800 Specs Status: OR Peter Cassidy updates my Poly-800 II specs for the EX-800... || > *Keyboard: 49 keys (C-C) || Not EX800 || || > *Digital Delay: Time (1024ms max.), Feedback level, Modulation || > frequency, Modulation intensity, Effect level || > *Equalizer: Bass, Treble || Neither of these on EX800 || || > *Joystick: X axis (pitch bend), +Y axis (DCO modulation), -Y axis || Nope !! || || > Key assign mode:Poly, chord memory, hold || Nor this ... || || > MIDI connectors:In, Out || EX800 has MIDI THRU on a separate 1" PCB, jumpered onto the main board. || || Otherwise, the EX800 is the same !!! Thank you Peter! But you forgot: || > *Strap pin: 2 Definitely not || > *Dimensions: 70(W) x 87.6(H) x 286(D) (probablt cm?) || > *Weight: 4.4 kg (including battery) I don't know these. Anybody? Bill From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 15:35:30 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12393; Wed, 21 Apr 93 15:35:16 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12387; Wed, 21 Apr 93 15:35:13 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA01209; Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:35:12 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA03136; Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:35:10 -0500 Received: from dub-tse ([145.21.14.7]) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01714; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:36:04 CDT Message-Id: <9304211936.AA01714@comm.mot.com> Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA02070; Wed, 21 Apr 93 20:31:37 +0100 From: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Mail List) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 20:31:35 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > I own an EX-800 but my manual is for a Poly-800 II. An astersik > (*) indicates a feature I know or suspect is NOT included on the EX-800. > Anybody with an EX-800 care to confirm? > > Bill Fox > -------------------------------------------------- > Specs from Poly-800 II manual: > > *Keyboard: 49 keys (C-C) Not EX800 > Voice: 8 voice (WHOLE mode), 4 voice (DOUBLE mode) > DCO1: Octave (low, mid, high), Waveform (saw, pulse), 16', 8', > 4', 2' (on, off), level adjustment > DCO2: Octave (low, mid, high), Waveform (saw, pulse), 16', 8', > 4', 2' (on, off), level adjustment, Interval (1 semitone > to an octave), Detune ( -20 cents max.) > DCO Mode: Whole, Double > Noise: Level Adjustment > VCF: Cutoff frequency, Resonance, Keyboard track (off, half, > full), EG intensity, EG polarity, EG trigger mode (single, > multi) > DEG1,2,3: Attack time, Decay time, Break point level, Slope time, > Sustain level, Release time > *Digital Delay: Time (1024ms max.), Feedback level, Modulation > frequency, Modulation intensity, Effect level > *Equalizer: Bass, Treble Neither of these on EX800 > MG: Frequency, Delay time, DCO intensity, VCF intensity > SEQ mode: Mode (once, repeat), SEQ clock (internal, external) > MIDI: Send/receive channel (1-16), Program change (enable, > disable) > Tune: +/- 50 cents > Power: Off, Volume adjustment > *Joystick: X axis (pitch bend), +Y axis (DCO modulation), -Y axis Nope !! > (VCF modulation) > Bend: Pitch bend width adjustment (+/- 700 cents) > Sequencer: Start/Stop, Step, Speed (slow-fast) > Key assign mode:Poly, chord memory, hold Nor this ... > Programmer: Number key (1-8), Program/parameter key, Bank hold key, > Value (up, down) key, Write key > Indicator: Program number display, Parameter number display, Value > display, Bank hold display, Edit display > Tape Interface: Save, Load, Verify, Cancel __ > Input jacks: From Tape (high/low switch), program up ( V__ gnd) > Output jacks: Output (Left/Mono, Right), Phones, To Tape > Tape switch: Enable/disable > Write switch: Program Write, Sequencer write > MIDI connectors:In, Out EX800 has MIDI THRU on a separate 1" PCB, jumpered onto the main board. > DC 9V jack: AC adaptor jack > *Strap pin: 2 > *Dimensions: 70(W) x 87.6(H) x 286(D) (probablt cm?) > *Weight: 4.4 kg (including battery) > Accessories: Preload data tape, battery (C-type x 6), connection > cord, AC adapter > Options: Memory expander MEX-8000, Pedal switch PS-1, Dynamic > stereo headphones KH-1000, Stand ST-8B, Hard case, Light > bag LB-800, Keyboard strap (black, brown), MIDI cable > (12, 10, 7m) > + Specifications subject to change without notice. > Otherwise, the EX800 is the same !!! -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 19 17:54:17 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA00619; Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:53:45 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from Rosie.UH.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA00614; Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:53:43 -0400 Received: from Jetson.UH.EDU by Jetson.UH.EDU (PMDF #3125 ) id <01GX7ASHOGGQ8WX57D@Jetson.UH.EDU>; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 16:53:35 CDT Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:53:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "CRAZY DJ (U C ME N 3D)" Subject: mod for buttons -> knobs/sliders To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GX7ASHOGGS8WX57D@Jetson.UH.EDU> X-Vms-To: @ANALOG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Date sent: 19-APR-1993 16:51:29 >i varied them in real time by simply programming in a bassline and >repeating it with the sequencer. then i put the 800 in parameter >edit mode and just flipped from parameter to parameter... not as >nice as knobs, but what can ya do... > >mike I've always want to change the two 'VALUE' 'UP' and 'DOWN' buttons on my EX-800 into a knob or slider. Do any of you electronic techies know how to change a positive-edge triggered button setting like this (up/down) into a potentiometer knob or slider??? thanks, -james From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 19 13:37:03 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15731; Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:36:16 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15721; Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:36:13 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA20095; Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:28:25 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA09771; Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:28:26 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:28:26 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304191728.AA09771@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, map@cs.brown.edu, wbf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Korg Poly800 Users Unite! Status: OR Mike Perkowitz wrote: > okay... here are the settings i used. i have a poly-800II but everything > should be fairly similar for poly-800s and ex-800s. > ...stuff deleted... > i'm eager to hear anything interesting any of you other poly-800, > 800II and ex-800 owners come up with... > (though, once again, i'm no longer on analogue heaven...) Thanks, Mike! I've been trying to keep track of Poly/Ex-800(II) users. Here's my list. Please let me know if you care to be added to my list or if you wish to correct an entry. Nothing official or formal here. You're merely a file on my computer! Bill Fox -------------- Dennis Barton 70531.2124@CompuServe.COM ? Peter Cassidy peterc@comm.mot.com EX800 Bill Fox wbf@aluxpo.att.com EX-800 Matthew Seamus Pease gt5627c@prism.gatech.edu Poly-800 Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu Poly-800II John A. Tuffen jat@ohm.york.ac.uk EX-800 -------------- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 19 12:15:12 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA10735; Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:13:38 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from cs.brown.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA10730; Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:13:36 -0400 Received: from cslab3g.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.6) id AA10470; Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:13:34 -0400 Received: by cslab3g.cs.brown.edu (5.64+/BrownCS-1.2) id AA13167; Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:13:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: acid on the poly-800 (and etc) To: analogue heaven Message-Id: Status: OR okay... here are the settings i used. i have a poly-800II but everything should be fairly similar for poly-800s and ex-800s. settings: DCO1 octave=2; waveform=2; 16'=1; 8'=1; 4'=1; 2'=1; level=31 MODE dco=2 (double) DCO2 octave=2; waveform=2; 16'=1; 8'=1; 4'=1; 2'=1; level=31; interval=0 VCF cutoff=33; resonance=14; kbd trk=1; polarity=2; eg int=8; trigger=1 NOISE level=0; detune=2 DEG1 (for DCO1) attack=0; decay=16; brk point=28; slope=0; sustain=31; release=11 DEG2 (for DCO2) attack=0; decay=31; brk point=31; slope=31; sustain=31; release=11 DEG3 (for VCF/NOISE) attack=6; decay=17; brk point=15; slope=21; sustain=14; release=11 DIGITAL DELAY time=25; feedback=0; mod freq=10; mod intensity=25; level=15 EQ treble=3; bass=5 MG freq=7; delay=0; DCO=1; VCF=0 mainly, i varied the VCF parameters cutoff, eg int, and resonance you can also vary MG freq and VCF, though with weird results i also played with DEG3 a bit... attack, decay, and break point i varied them in real time by simply programming in a bassline and repeating it with the sequencer. then i put the 800 in parameter edit mode and just flipped from parameter to parameter... not as nice as knobs, but what can ya do... i don't think there's any direct way to map realtime midi controllers to parameter changes. you could, however, program all 64 voices to be variations on the same voice... say, have EG INT vary across voice 1-8 in each bank and have cutoff vary across banks. then write a program that reads in controller information and sends out program change info. map one controller to change between different sounds in a bank and another to change between banks. not only would this be a pain, but, since you have only 64 voices, it would give you much less resolution and control... i'm eager to hear anything interesting any of you other poly-800, 800II and ex-800 owners come up with... (though, once again, i'm no longer on analogue heaven...) mike From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 14:10:25 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07485; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:10:15 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07480; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:10:12 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA03278; Wed, 21 Apr 93 11:08:27 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA10378; Wed, 21 Apr 93 11:09:04 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304211809.AA10378@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: Poly/EX-800 Patch Swapping To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304211725.AA16486@alux1.cnet.att.com> from "wbf@aluxpo.att.com" at Apr 21, 93 01:25:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 592 Status: OR wbf@aluxpo.att.com writes... > > Peter Cassidy enthused: > > Hey, I have a copy of WinJammer. This is the program I use to handle my > > Kawai K1 sysex dumps. It's not bad - it works !!! BTW It's shareware, runs > > under Windows, supports MPU401, Blaster/Adlib, GUS. I can ZIP/UUENCODE it > > and email it over if you like. Peter, I don't have your address but could you send me a copy, or let me know where it's available for FTP? Thanks, -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 14:06:51 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07288; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:06:13 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07283; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:06:11 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA16775; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:00:50 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA21490; Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:00:50 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:00:50 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304211800.AA21490@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, map@cs.brown.edu Subject: EX800 Spex'N'Flawz Status: OR Steve Valdez asks that musical question: >> Could someone send me the specs on this machine and it's flaws/advantages? And way back on Wed 7 Apr 93 Ricard Wolf said: > ... Very good as a companion for another > machine, to give it some analogue warmth. Used this way the '800's short- > comings don't show up too much. I hope you don't mind me putting you on the spot, Ricard. But since you have an opinion on the matter, would you like to answer Steve's question? We already know that the EX doesn't respond to controller 64 (sustain). Its internal sequencer sucks by today's standards. It does respond to program changes but you have to enable it manually to do this. It does sysex but dumps cannot be initiated from the front panel, only by a MIDI request. The chorus is nice and seems quieter than on the Roland Juno-106. I've seen prices on this list of $85, $100, and L59 so they're cheap! -- Bill Fox * Fox's Den Recording Studio * Nazareth, PA * wbf@alux1.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh hell. - A Metlayism From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 13:41:16 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05758; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:59 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05753; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:56 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA13964; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:33:33 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA17652; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:33:33 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:33:33 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304211733.AA17652@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: EX-800 Lacks Sustain Status: OR Thanks go to Dan Phillips for the Korg USA number. (1-800-645-3188) I called and was advised to call the Technical Support line. (1-516-333-8737) I found out that the latest ROM version is 8. You can tell by looking at a ROM whose number ends in 08. Even this version ignores sustain (controller 64). So solly! We're stuck without sustain. -- Bill Fox * Fox's Den Recording Studio * Nazareth, PA * wbf@alux1.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You don't have to worry about some bozotic little CPU chip going er er er if you ask it to do something odd..... (Mike Metlay) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 13:37:04 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05559; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:36:51 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA05549; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:36:47 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA12468; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:25:29 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA16486; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:25:28 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:25:28 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304211725.AA16486@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Poly/EX-800 Patch Swapping Status: OR Peter Cassidy enthused: > Hey, I have a copy of WinJammer. This is the program I use to handle my > Kawai K1 sysex dumps. It's not bad - it works !!! BTW It's shareware, runs > under Windows, supports MPU401, Blaster/Adlib, GUS. I can ZIP/UUENCODE it > and email it over if you like. If any of the other Poly/Ex 800 people have WinJammer, go for it! Unfortunately for me, my poor old AT&T PC6300 only has 10Meg disk, 5.25" floppy, 640k RAM, and '186 processor (I think). Windows, and hence WinJammer, are out of reach for me. But don't let that stop you others. -- Bill Fox * Fox's Den Recording Studio * Nazareth, PA * wbf@alux1.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You don't have to worry about some bozotic little CPU chip going er er er if you ask it to do something odd..... (Mike Metlay) From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 13:14:29 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA04125; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:14:12 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA04120; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:14:10 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA09097; Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:57:47 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA12264; Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:57:47 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:57:47 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304211657.AA12264@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Korg EX800 Status: OR >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 23:33:28 PDT >> From: att!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!analogue-request >> (Steve Valdez) (cg132sad@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU) >> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >> Subject: Korg EX800 >> >> Could someone send me the specs on this machine and it's flaws/advantages? >> >> cg132sad@icogsci1.ucsd.edu I own an EX-800 but my manual is for a Poly-800 II. An astersik (*) indicates a feature I know or suspect is NOT included on the EX-800. Anybody with an EX-800 care to confirm? Bill Fox -------------------------------------------------- Specs from Poly-800 II manual: *Keyboard: 49 keys (C-C) Voice: 8 voice (WHOLE mode), 4 voice (DOUBLE mode) DCO1: Octave (low, mid, high), Waveform (saw, pulse), 16', 8', 4', 2' (on, off), level adjustment DCO2: Octave (low, mid, high), Waveform (saw, pulse), 16', 8', 4', 2' (on, off), level adjustment, Interval (1 semitone to an octave), Detune ( -20 cents max.) DCO Mode: Whole, Double Noise: Level Adjustment VCF: Cutoff frequency, Resonance, Keyboard track (off, half, full), EG intensity, EG polarity, EG trigger mode (single, multi) DEG1,2,3: Attack time, Decay time, Break point level, Slope time, Sustain level, Release time *Digital Delay: Time (1024ms max.), Feedback level, Modulation frequency, Modulation intensity, Effect level *Equalizer: Bass, Treble MG: Frequency, Delay time, DCO intensity, VCF intensity SEQ mode: Mode (once, repeat), SEQ clock (internal, external) MIDI: Send/receive channel (1-16), Program change (enable, disable) Tune: +/- 50 cents Power: Off, Volume adjustment *Joystick: X axis (pitch bend), +Y axis (DCO modulation), -Y axis (VCF modulation) Bend: Pitch bend width adjustment (+/- 700 cents) Sequencer: Start/Stop, Step, Speed (slow-fast) Key assign mode:Poly, chord memory, hold Programmer: Number key (1-8), Program/parameter key, Bank hold key, Value (up, down) key, Write key Indicator: Program number display, Parameter number display, Value display, Bank hold display, Edit display Tape Interface: Save, Load, Verify, Cancel __ Input jacks: From Tape (high/low switch), program up ( V__ gnd) Output jacks: Output (Left/Mono, Right), Phones, To Tape Tape switch: Enable/disable Write switch: Program Write, Sequencer write MIDI connectors:In, Out DC 9V jack: AC adaptor jack *Strap pin: 2 *Dimensions: 70(W) x 87.6(H) x 286(D) (probablt cm?) *Weight: 4.4 kg (including battery) Accessories: Preload data tape, battery (C-type x 6), connection cord, AC adapter Options: Memory expander MEX-8000, Pedal switch PS-1, Dynamic stereo headphones KH-1000, Stand ST-8B, Hard case, Light bag LB-800, Keyboard strap (black, brown), MIDI cable (12, 10, 7m) + Specifications subject to change without notice. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 21 02:33:46 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12480; Wed, 21 Apr 93 02:33:33 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from ucsd.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12475; Wed, 21 Apr 93 02:33:31 -0400 Received: from icogsci1.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA02358 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Tue, 20 Apr 93 23:33:29 -0700 for analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: by icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.3) id AA03482 to analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu; Tue, 20 Apr 93 23:33:28 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 23:33:28 PDT From: cg132sad@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Steve Valdez) Message-Id: <9304210633.AA03482@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Korg EX800 Status: OR Could someone send me the specs on this machine and it's flaws/advantages? cg132sad@icogsci1.ucsd.edu From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 14:14:45 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA09968; Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:14:32 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA09963; Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:14:31 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA00409; Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:06:56 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA03092; Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:06:57 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:06:57 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304071806.AA03092@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: EX800 Sysex Status: OR Taylor.800 asked: > how will the EX-800 do sysex? do you have any specs on it? i have > one.. but have no sys-ex experiences with it.. Neither have I, but the MIDI implementation is in the manual. The data dump request is: f0 Exclusive status 42 Korg ID 21 Format ID 0c POLY-800II ID 10 Data dump request f7 EOX Values are in hex. There is a delay of about 300ms before the dump starts. This is from the Poly800II manual. When I bought the EX800 used, that's what the dealer had, so I took it. If it is any different from the EX800, somebody having that manual will have to correct this post. I don't have the time to go into the rest of the implementation but the manual pages are here at work if you *REALLY NEED* them. Does anybody have an EX800 PD librarian for the PC to share? Bill Fox From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 13:36:45 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07926; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:36:30 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from AXP2.ACF.NYU.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07920; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:36:28 -0400 Received: from ACFcluster.NYU.EDU by ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (PMDF V4.2-10 #2884) id <01GWQ9X8HOB0M248JO@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:23:22 EST Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1993 12:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GWQ9X8HXYMM248JO@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"wbf@aluxpo.att.com" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR how will the EX-800 do sysex? do you have any specs on it? i have one.. but have no sys-ex experiences with it.. peaceout >>taylor.808 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 13:05:13 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06151; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:05:01 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA06146; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:04:59 -0400 Received: from kermit by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (5.65/UNC_08_21_92) id AA21552; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:04:58 -0400 Received: by kermit.cs.unc.edu (5.65/UNC_02-28-90) id AA18636; Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:04:56 -0400 From: Chris Tector Message-Id: <9304071704.AA18636@kermit.cs.unc.edu> Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: georg@nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: peterc@comm.mot.com, ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304071614.AA25233@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> from "Georg Mueller" at Apr 7, 93 06:14:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 503 Status: OR > You know, that beasty has only ONE filter for all 4(8) voices?!? This is not only true but also a really cool thang. Try something with a pretty low cutoff, send a low end bassline through it and then occasionally shoot a higher note. You end up with the filter slurring around on the low end and the high note jerking it up for longer than the note duration giving a really cool and controllable filter sweep/spike sound. I am SO clear and understandable when I explain sounds. hehehheh tector From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 12:16:23 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03501; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:16:07 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from zool.pactel.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03496; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:16:05 -0400 Received: from nit.PacTel.COM (nms33.nit.pactel.com) by Zool.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/PacTel-Zool-Brent-921124-01) id AA17706; Wed, 7 Apr 93 09:14:23 PDT Received: from phoenix29.nit.pactel.com by nit.PacTel.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-NIT.PacTel.COM-921124-01) id AA22512; Wed, 7 Apr 93 09:15:08 PDT From: eric@nit.PacTel.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9304071615.AA22512@nit.PacTel.COM> Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 09:18:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9304071537.AA19581@comm.mot.com> from "Peter Cassidy" at Apr 7, 93 04:34:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1190 Status: OR Peter Cassidy writes... > Thanks for the info ! Sysex ?? Wow ! So, I guess programming the thing is > a case of selecting the right parameter on the 2-digit LED display, and > tweaking it's value. No knobs, right ??? Are the DCO's Sine, Sq, Saw > or just Sq and Saw?? The only basic waveform is the square wave, but you can choose as follows: Square mode: choose any one or more of 16' 8' 4' 2' at the same amplitude. Sawtooth mode: same as above but the amplitudes of the square waves get proportionally smaller as the wavelength gets smaller. When you add them all together it approximates a sawtooth. The 2 DCOs can be set differently. After you decide what waveform(s) you want, you can then choose "single" or "double" mode. Single mode gives you 8-voice polyphony, with each voice comprised of the waves from DCO's 1 and 2. Double mode uses the settings of DCO 1 for both DCO's and the "detune" setting to give you a "fatter" 4-voice polyphonic sound. This info is for a Poly 800 II which I assume is the same for an EX-800. -- Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 12:15:59 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03481; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:15:48 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03476; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:15:47 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA16991; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:15:46 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA28618; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:15:45 -0500 Received: from dub-tse ([145.21.14.7]) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21252; Wed, 7 Apr 93 11:15:37 CDT Message-Id: <9304071615.AA21252@comm.mot.com> Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA07486; Wed, 7 Apr 93 17:12:33 +0100 From: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: Korg EX800 !!! To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (analogue) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 17:12:31 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > The oscillators are all square waves. The waveform select only > selects the relative strengths of the various harmonics...(It confused > the hell out of me the first time I read the manual)... i.e. if you > select the 'square' waveform you get four harmonically related square > waves at equal strength (any of which can be turned off). If you select > the 'saw' waveform, the 16' oscillator is twice the amplitude of the 8' > oscillator which is twice the amplitude of the 4' oscillator which is > twice the amplitude of the 2' oscillator. > > Clear???! > > john.. > > Ahaaaaaa ! Oh OK, gotcha now! Thanks again for the info. -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 12:15:37 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03469; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:15:24 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03449; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:15:14 -0400 Received: by dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25233; Wed, 7 Apr 93 18:14:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 18:14:03 +0200 From: georg@nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) Message-Id: <9304071614.AA25233@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> To: peterc@comm.mot.com Subject: Re: Korg EX800 Cc: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR > Thanks for the info ! Sysex ?? Wow ! So, I guess programming the thing is > a case of selecting the right parameter on the 2-digit LED display, and > tweaking it's value. No knobs, right ??? Are the DCO's Sine, Sq, Saw > or just Sq and Saw?? Neither nor. You have I think 4 footages 16' 8' 4' and 2' and two modes: square and saw. Lets start with square mode. By switching on or off those 4 footages you select square waves with the corresponding frequency, which are summed up with equal amplitudes. In saw mode you again select square waves, which are summed up, but in this case with different amplitues. 16' gets 1, 8' gets 1/2, 4` gets 1/4 and 2' gets ..., thats for homework. You know, that beasty has only ONE filter for all 4(8) voices?!? Georg. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 12:00:41 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA02661; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:00:24 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA02652; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:00:21 -0400 Received: by glenlivet.ohm.york.ac.uk (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.29) id m0ngcXx-000F0ZC; Wed, 7 Apr 93 17:00:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: "John A Tuffen" Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (analogue) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 17:00:16 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 834 Status: OR According to Peter Cassidy: > Thanks for the info ! Sysex ?? Wow ! So, I guess programming the thing is > a case of selecting the right parameter on the 2-digit LED display, and > tweaking it's value. No knobs, right ??? Are the DCO's Sine, Sq, Saw > or just Sq and Saw?? Errrmm..., The oscillators are all square waves. The waveform select only selects the relative strengths of the various harmonics...(It confused the hell out of me the first time I read the manual)... i.e. if you select the 'square' waveform you get four harmonically related square waves at equal strength (any of which can be turned off). If you select the 'saw' waveform, the 16' oscillator is twice the amplitude of the 8' oscillator which is twice the amplitude of the 4' oscillator which is twice the amplitude of the 2' oscillator. Clear???! john.. From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 11:37:57 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01348; Wed, 7 Apr 93 11:37:42 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA01334; Wed, 7 Apr 93 11:37:38 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA15041; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:37:37 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA25191; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:37:36 -0500 Received: from dub-tse ([145.21.14.7]) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA19581; Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:37:23 CDT Message-Id: <9304071537.AA19581@comm.mot.com> Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA06920; Wed, 7 Apr 93 16:34:19 +0100 From: Peter Cassidy Subject: Re: Korg EX800 To: ANALOGUE@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Mail List) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 16:34:17 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: OR > I just bought one for $100 (US) which included a wall wart power > supply (new and required) and manual for the Poly 800 II (keyboard > version), and the loan of some data tapes. The machine will do sysex! Thanks for the info ! Sysex ?? Wow ! So, I guess programming the thing is a case of selecting the right parameter on the 2-digit LED display, and tweaking it's value. No knobs, right ??? Are the DCO's Sine, Sq, Saw or just Sq and Saw?? -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Apr 7 10:53:07 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA28379; Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:52:54 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from att-out.att.com by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA28374; Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:52:51 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA07172; Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:40:36 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA23523; Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:40:36 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 10:40:36 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9304071440.AA23523@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Korg EX800 Status: OR Hi Peter, > Also, I've been offered a Korg EX800. I think this is the rack-mount > version of the Poly 800. Has anybody got any info on these devices ?? The > Korg is going for $80 !! I just bought one for $100 (US) which included a wall wart power supply (new and required) and manual for the Poly 800 II (keyboard version), and the loan of some data tapes. The machine will do sysex! It isn't exactly a rack mount, wrong size and no ears, but it is a synth module capable of great analog sounds. The manual shows this block diagram: _________ DCO1 --> VCA1 -->| | | | DCO2 --> VCA2 -->| MIXER |--> VCF --> EQ --> DDL --> stereo output | | NOISE -> VCA3 -->|_______| The DCOs are modulated by the keyboard and "Modulation Group." VCA1 is controlled by DEG1. VCA2 is controlled by DEG2. VCA3 is controlled by DEG3. VCF is controlled by MG and VCA3. The EX800 does NOT have the DDL and I'm not sure about the EQ so I'll have to check. -- Bill Fox * Fox's Den Recording Studio * Nazareth, PA * wbf@alux1.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If we mind the minutiae, a gratifying gestalt results." From map@cs.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 09:03:43 1994 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 21:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: analogue heaven Subject: poly-800 wow thanks for quoting me.. i'm flattered. ;) i owned a poly-800II for quite a while and eventually sold it. programming ease: i dont think it's that difficult to program. there was always a sense of mystery in it for me, though, but that was mostly because i didnt really have much understanding of oscillators, filters, lfos, etc. i never knew what "eg int" (envelope mod to filter) really meant until shortly before selling it. i didnt really know what the "mg" (modulation generator == lfo) was either. still.. it's not too complicated to anyone who is familiar with basic analogue synths: two oscillators, a filter, one envelope for each osc and one for filter+noise and an lfo. programming is via a pushbutton interface and is clunky. on the other hand, i did some weird realtime stuff on it too. sound: well uh.. i hope you really like square waves. there's is sort of a goofy triangle wave simulation constructed out of having square waves at different levels. but the thing almost always *sounds* square-wavey. it's great, i suppose, for 80s pop (my theory: the diff between pop and not-pop has to do with how many square waves used). you can get some nice effects and noises out of it.. very wet sounding. but in the end.. i was never very satisfied with any sounds i made on it. on the other hand, i know a lot more now and would probably be able to do better. in particular, you get a generous allotment of envelopes for such a synth, and two oscillators if you want em (takes you from 8-note to 4-note polyphony). 800 vs. 800II: the main difference is that they chucked the chorus for a digital delay. the chorus is simply on/off. the delay has params for level, feedback, delay time, and rate and depth of modulation, if i recall correctly. clearly, the latter offers more programmability and get get you some nice sounds, and very metallic ones at short delay times. otoh, the chorus may give a nice fattening effect, which this thing could use, but i havent heard an 800 chorus in years, so i dontknow what it sounds like. imho, it's got a simple architecture with some surprisingly nice features (and some disappointments) but ultimately lacks in sound. still.. you can find them for $100 or so, and it's not a bad deal at thatlevel or below, if you take to the sounds. it was my first synth and wasnt a bad choice for that either (though in retrospect, i wish i had had a juno). m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- There's nothing more inconvenient than an old queen with a head cold. - Robert Preston in "Victor/Victoria" (1982) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz ftp://cs.washington.edu/pub/map