From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:19:18 1994 Delivery-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:16:12 PDT Return-Path: MARSHALLR@opsusa.sms.siemens.com Received: from scr.siemens.com (scr.siemens.com [129.73.1.15]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with ESMTP id QAA18579 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:16:10 -0700 Received: from opsusa.sms.siemens.com (SYSTEM@[165.226.4.236]) by scr.siemens.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA16260 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 1994 19:16:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199410232316.TAA16260@scr.siemens.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 19:17 EST From: MARSHALLR@opsusa.sms.siemens.com (RICHARD MARSHALL--ASTON, PA) To: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Roland MKS-80 FS X-VMS-To: SMTP%"map@cs.washington.edu" Status: RO X-Status: Mike, Be glad to send you the early reviews of the OB synths, but I only have email access to the net, how do I "ftp", via mail? Oh, I though you had a J-8, although the MKS-80 is also very interesting to me. As for the EML, I'll try and find a review or tech description. It was originally marketed for schools, hence the 2 piece case, ready for carrying when closed, and has 4 oscillators, a multimode filter, 2 egs, s&h, and every section in patchable to every other section, including external inputs for ext. gate, processing ext signals, etc. The only complication regarding controling the synth from another keyboard is that it is not quite 1V/Octave, so a little converter circuit would be needed to do the scaling transfer function. Best regards, Rich From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:20:09 1994 Delivery-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:42:33 PDT Return-Path: bfelton@slc.com Received: from slcgate.slc.com (slcgate.slc.com [192.83.233.46]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA04778 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:42:20 -0700 Received: from servio.slc.com by slcgate.slc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #19) id m0qzWHP-0001cUC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 13:46 PDT Received: from agate.slc.com by servio.slc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qzWFN-001JENC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 13:44 PDT Received: by agate.slc.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0qzWFM-0001BbC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 13:44 PDT Message-Id: From: bfelton@slc.com (Bill Felton) Subject: Re: EML 100 To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at Oct 24, 94 09:14:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1374 Status: RO X-Status: Hi Mike, Are you sure its the 100? There are both 100 and 101 EML's... I have a 101 and if I recall correctly, the only real difference is that the 101 has exponential control. Let's see.. Vintage Synthesizers says "The 100 was a duophonic keyboard=based synth designed to compete with the Minimoog..." Only 200 made vs 1000 of the 101. VS also implies that the oscillators were different, and the ones on the 100 were musically weak... So not quite as I remembered. BTW, I'm in Portland, OR, if you want to see/hear a 101. Hope this helps. Bill > > could somebody tell me as much as they can about this very interesting > sounding synth? one has been teasing about at the edges of my life (sight > unseen) and i'd like to know more about it.. > > thanks > m > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I could have fled from one but singly fair: > My disentangled soul itself might save, > Breaking the curled trammels of her hair. > But how should I avoid to be her slave, > Whose subtle art invisibly can wreathe > My fetters of the very air I breathe? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ > mike perkowitz ftp://cs.washington.edu/pub/map > > From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:20:39 1994 Delivery-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:01:45 PDT Return-Path: ibsenj@gov.on.ca Received: from govonca.gov.on.ca ([192.75.156.244]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id OAA07441 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:01:43 -0700 Received: by govonca.gov.on.ca (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25234; Mon, 24 Oct 94 17:02:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:51:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Ibsen Subject: Re: EML 100 To: Mike Perkowitz In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > > could somebody tell me as much as they can about this very interesting > sounding synth? one has been teasing about at the edges of my life (sight > unseen) and i'd like to know more about it.. > Well _I_ quite enjoy my EML100, but since it was publicly badmouthed in the pages of the Vintage Synths book, it can't be any good can it? :) Seriously though, it has quite a different sound than the EML101, and I think that it should be thought of as a compliment to, rather than a replacement for, the 101. Differences: The 101 has the ring modulator, S&H generator,steeper filter and a sawtooth wave, the 100 has pink noise in addition to white, and a few waveforms not found on the 101. Both are normalled semi-modular(!) and real cool-looking! The 100 is much more rare, only 200 made. I paid $200 on the net 1 year ago. If it's the one that's on the net for $250 go for it! You won't be disappointed. (Unless, perhaps you were expecting an Arp 2600). Regards, Jeff Ibsen -- ibsenj@gov.on.ca From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:21:17 1994 Delivery-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 06:49:50 PDT Return-Path: ibsenj@gov.on.ca Received: from govonca.gov.on.ca (govonca.gov.on.ca [192.75.156.244]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA10206 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 06:49:46 -0700 Received: by govonca.gov.on.ca (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13271; Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:50:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Ibsen Subject: Re: EML 100 To: Mike Perkowitz In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > so.. what has it got? was it four oscillators? (!) multimode filter > (yum), 2 EGs? lfo? > 4 VCO's (1 and 4 can be used as LFO's), 1 multimode filter, 2 EG's cool mixer for modulating VCO's, and lots of patch points that allow you to invert envelopes etc. CV is nonstandard (1.1V/oct) so don't expect to use it with your midi-cv converter. The thing is good at making evil hissing, spitting sounds that modulate so low that you can see you woofers whupping back and forth. > yeah.. it sounds cool from the description i got.. :) so is it like a > regular synth but with additional patch points, sorta? > Yup, but if you're looking for "regular" synth sounds don't buy this! Cheers, Jeff From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:21:23 1994 Delivery-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:23:36 PDT Return-Path: fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA15575 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:23:34 -0700 Received: from dialup-2-136.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:44:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:43:52 CST From: "fEEd" Message-Id: <48562.fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_17 Reply-To: X-POPMail-Charset: English To: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: EML-100 Status: RO X-Status: >romeo said to ask you about this. i have a line on one (probably EML+$$$ >trade for an MKS-80) and i dont know much about it, and it's sight >unseen. Well, first off I would look at it. eml100\101s were not made in the sturdiest of boxes, so it could be pretty beat up. >he said you have one and run it from a 303? Well I have a eml101 that I have run from a 303 and i just got a eml100 yesterday that i triggered last night from a 606. Did you see my review on AH yesterday after you asked? >what do you think of the EML in general, and was it at all a pain to get >around the different CV interface? Well, I like them both quite a bit. The 100 is missing a few things they later added onto the 101 like ring mod and s&h, but I found the 100 to be just as pleasing. And the 100 is blue which is really cool! ;> Are you at all familair with 100\101s? they are quasi-modular boxes (like the arp 2600) that can be programmed via pots or patched into via 40 or so patch points. they both have 4 oscs, a wierd filter that won't rez for shit 2 egs and a REALLY noisy preamp for distorting th shit out of stuff. As far as cv\gate goes for it, I know that many people have some tuning probs with them as I think they are 1.1 v\oct or some fucked up thing like that, but I don't worry about pitch to much so that is no prob for me. ;> Both my 101 and 100 seem to trigger fine from roland gear (x0x stuff) but I have heard that many do not. I would say test it out with a 303 or x0x beatbox to be sure before you buy. I can tell you how to hook it up for external triggering if you need help, all those 1/4" jacks can be a bit dizzying! ;> If the price is right, I would say go for it. I mean it is not going to replace your mks 80's functionality, it is a whole diffferent bird. But, for processing stuff and as about a wierd sounding module to play from other stuff via cv\gate, you can hardly beat it. >and how much did you pay for yours? :) Well, for the eml101 I paid $200 and for the eml100 I paid $250, both good deals ESPECIALLY considering there was only 200 or so 100s made. They market at more around $500-$800 as far as I can tell. A scumbag dealer (who I snaked for my 100 thank you very much) just sold 2 eml101s to Japan for $1700 apiece. ick. I told the seller of this eml100 that (the dealer had beat me out in bidding of course) and the seller decided to sell to me since I owuld give it a good home and plenty of use. There still are good people out there. let me know if you need to knwo anything else.... Rob -- mANnA/>tEMpESt<\fEED/>DBN<\iNFIdeLiTy rECoRdIng<\/>fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu "FILTER MAINTENANCE- After every 100 hours of operation apply a sine wave to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog your filter." - EML 101 Manual From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:50:41 1994 Delivery-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:38:58 PDT Return-Path: media@pcnet.com Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [165.113.13.3]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id OAA13077 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:38:54 -0700 Received: by pcnet1.pcnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02174; Mon, 24 Oct 94 17:39:31 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Machine Media Subject: Re: EML 100 To: Mike Perkowitz In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: > thanks.. would you care to say a few words about it? what do you think? > how much did you pay for it? and is the quirky cv interface a problem? It's fully modular, uses 1/4" patch cords, otherwise similar 2 a Mini Moog in configuration. Uses a digital clock/timer 2 produce toneswhich are then filtered into various waveforms (the Moog oscilators are analog analog). I've had it since 1981. I didn't pay anything for it. It uses 1.2 volts per octave. It was purposely made not 2 be compatible!! As soon as someone can unveil the dark secret of where Kenton is, I'll let U know how the MIDI --> CV conversion works! From map@june.cs.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 14:04:01 1994 Delivery-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:00:16 PDT Return-Path: fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id OAA03527 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:00:12 -0700 Received: from dialup-5-136.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:34:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:33:53 CST From: "fEEd" Message-Id: <61128.fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_17 Reply-To: X-POPMail-Charset: English To: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: EML-100 Status: RO X-Status: >> Well, first off I would look at it. eml100\101s were not made in the >> sturdiest of boxes, so it could be pretty beat up. > >doh. it's a long-distance thing. :-/ Well, the box can be put together into sort of a suitcase thing, but I have NEVER seen one with all the buckles on it. The outside itself is really cheap atificial wood and doesn't hold the buckles on very well and can get knicked up. No big deal really tho. I forgot to tell you, I got an ORIGINAL manual with mine as well if you need it. >> Well, I like them both quite a bit. The 100 is missing a few things they >> later added onto the 101 like ring mod and s&h, but I found the 100 to be >> just as pleasing. And the 100 is blue which is really cool! ;> > >:) yay blue. i was just reading vintage synths and they remarked that >the 100's oscillators are mostly just sine/square. ick. >and the filter is >6db/oct, though it is multimode. so in spite of that, the sound is still >interesting? Heck yeah, the sound is great. If you usea single osc you gte about as pure of a tone as possible, but once you start stacking them, look out! Lets not forget tho, the waveforms on osc 2-4 are SWEEPABLE so we are not talking simple cut and dry waves here, you gte all kinds of interesting waveforms inbetween the regular ones. Every osc has its own output so you can access them all individually if you wish. The filter is ok, the rez on it sucks. The vloume drops about 65% as soon as you put on the slightest bit of rez, but it is inetresting to say the least. The s&h (with triggerable sampling) on the eml101 really helps quite a bit for moving the filter around, but other things can do this as well as it hass an external CV in on most everything. Plus it 9the 100 not the 101) has an output for both the hi and lo pass filters so you can access them both at the same time. neato. >> If the price is right, I would say go for it. I mean it is not going to >> replace your mks 80's functionality, it is a whole diffferent bird. But, >> for processing stuff and as about a wierd sounding module to play from >> other stuff via cv\gate, you can hardly beat it. > >sounds like a good review to me. :) i'm not trying to replace the mks's >functionality.. that's what the jupiter-6 is for.. i want more weird stuff. Weird stuff it will DEFINITELY do. Right up there with the 2600 IMHO. And that Pre-amp does distortion like no other i have heard! ;> Rob -- mANnA/>tEMpESt<\fEED/>DBN<\iNFIdeLiTy rECoRdIng<\/>fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu "FILTER MAINTENANCE- After every 100 hours of operation apply a sine wave to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog your filter." - EML 101 Manual From map@june.cs.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 18:42:39 1994 Delivery-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:09:30 PDT Return-Path: analogue-request@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.20]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with ESMTP id PAA16180 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:09:18 -0700 Received: by postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.9/5.901231) id OAA18849; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:53:09 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.9/5.901231) id OAA18826; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:53:05 -0400 Received: from dialup-1-78.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Mon, 24 Oct 94 13:32:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 13:30:52 CST From: "fEEd" Message-Id: <60975.fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_17 Reply-To: X-POPMail-Charset: English To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: EML 100 Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:14:43 -0700 (PDT), Mike Perkowitz wrote: > >could somebody tell me as much as they can about this very interesting >sounding synth? one has been teasing about at the edges of my life (sight >unseen) and i'd like to know more about it.. It is the precursor to the eml101. It shares much(if not all) of its functionality. I will describe the 101 on that premise. As luck would have it, I am getting a 100 this very day so i can correct myself tomorrow if needed. It is a quasi-modular box (much like the arp 2600) that can be programmed via pots or through 40 or so patch points. 4 oscs (with sweepable waveforms), a filter (not very "distinct" rez on it tho), ring mod, 2 envs, external input, noisy preamp, etc. I love my 101 and I assume the 100 will be just as nice. I think there were only like 1000 101s made and (again, I think) only around 200 100s. That seems like VERY few considering how many 100s and 101s I see floating around. Rob -- mANnA/>tEMpESt<\fEED/>DBN<\iNFIdeLiTy rECoRdIng<\/>fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu "FILTER MAINTENANCE- After every 100 hours of operation apply a sine wave to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog your filter." - EML 101 Manual