From tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 22:08:53 1993 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18736; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:07:54 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18730; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:07:45 -0400 From: s i n e w a v e Message-Id: <9304130207.AA18730@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: vick@Moskva.DoCS.UU.SE (Mikael Lundgren) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:07:45 EDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Heaven Synth list.) In-Reply-To: <9304130058.AA18163@Moskva.DoCS.UU.SE>; from "Mikael Lundgren" at Apr 13, 93 2:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR vick (mikael) says: Having a '808 and '909 in my setup (lucky me :), I'm curios whether there's any idea getting the '606 as well? Someone mentioned to me that having the 808 kind of screened out the 606 soundwise, as the 606 sounds were to be stripped 808 sounds. Can anyone with experience of both machines tell me the real story? ] -=---- i have been able to play around with both of them for a while: the 808 has much deeper decay and low frequency response. (as in kick drums..) the 909 is tighter and more percussive... (harsher..) the 606 is more bouncy.. not cheesy, just bouncy. the toms. however, are very useful, as they are very "TRIBAL-electro" sounding. very good for a variety of applications.. isn't it funny how we are attracted to instruments that were supposed to simulate actual drum sounds more than the samples of real things? i guess that is what techno is all about... as i listened to my 606 and 303 synced together, i was wondering, what the fuck was roland EVER thinking with the idea of the 303? then i realized, sometimes, a speck of creativity gets out with an instrument of theirs... and then i looked at all of the equipment that i own.. and they make most of it. sines -- /\ /\ _________________s i n e w a v e___________________ /\ /\ / \ / \ / todd sines: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 614 299 9529 \/ \/ \ analogue / analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 21:54:42 1993 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18622; Mon, 12 Apr 93 21:54:04 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA18617; Mon, 12 Apr 93 21:53:57 -0400 From: s i n e w a v e Message-Id: <9304130153.AA18617@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 21:53:57 EDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Heaven Synth list.) In-Reply-To: <9304122249.AA42254@acs.bu.edu>; from "Jonathan Disegi" at Apr 12, 93 6:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR jonathon says: Oh, by the way, does anyone know the market value of one of these? ----------- in the blue book, they were last quoted at $67 resale value. i think that the dealers would pay half that ($33.50?) yet i think that the pawn shop guys were thinking, we are ripping this guy off of $50... hmm. i don't feel ripped off, in fact, i feel the opposite. sines -- /\ /\ _________________s i n e w a v e___________________ /\ /\ / \ / \ / todd sines: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 614 299 9529 \/ \/ \ analogue / analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 20:58:49 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA12000; Mon, 12 Apr 93 20:58:20 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from sunic.sunet.se by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA11995; Mon, 12 Apr 93 20:58:18 -0400 Received: from Moskva.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA13106; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:58:16 +0200 Received: by Moskva.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/20, SunOS 4.1.1) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA18163; Tue, 13 Apr 93 02:58:13 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 02:58:13 +0200 From: Mikael Lundgren Message-Id: <9304130058.AA18163@Moskva.DoCS.UU.SE> To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: s i n e w a v e's message of Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:33:40 EDT <9304122133.AA15283@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: TR-606 and Breakbeats... Status: OR Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From: s i n e w a v e Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:33:40 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] you're missin out man... don't sell the 606. i got it the day before (saturday) we played and i used it on sunday night in our show. fucking hard. a very easy to use, magnificent drum machine.... sines Having a '808 and '909 in my setup (lucky me :), I'm curios whether there's any idea getting the '606 as well? Someone mentioned to me that having the 808 kind of screened out the 606 soundwise, as the 606 sounds were to be stripped 808 sounds. Can anyone with experience of both machines tell me the real story? () Mikael (Vick) Lundgren | University of Uppsala, Sweden O ____ () () vick@bern.docs.uu.se {-|>*CSD - Computer Science Dept. o /.. \/| () () Studying CS @ ---------|>*DOCS - Dept. of Computer Systems (----) | )) () () Remember: Four bananas always add up to a plectrum. \____/\| () From raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us Mon Apr 12 19:11:56 1993 Received: from TELERAMA.PGH.PA.US by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA08631; Mon, 12 Apr 93 19:11:29 -0400 Received: by telerama.pgh.pa.us id AA12023 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 19:11:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 19:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: s i n e w a v e Cc: "Analogue Heaven Synth list." In-Reply-To: <9304122133.AA15283@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-Id: Status: OR y (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Mon, 12 Apr 1993, s i n e w a v e wrote: > you're missin out man... don't sell the 606. > > i got it the day before (saturday) we played and i used it on sunday night in > our show. fucking hard. > > a very easy to use, magnificent drum machine.... I know, I almost hate to get rid oof it but the guy I'm selling it to really likes it. And besides I have a 909. Joe From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 18:50:44 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07760; Mon, 12 Apr 93 18:49:49 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA07745; Mon, 12 Apr 93 18:49:45 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA42254; Mon, 12 Apr 93 18:49:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 18:49:52 -0400 From: jdisegi@acs.bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) Message-Id: <9304122249.AA42254@acs.bu.edu> To: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Status: OR I agree 100% I think the 606 is the most under-rated drum machine ever made!! All I can say is plug it in to a 303, need I say more? I think it is just as good, in it's own way, as the 808 and 909, and has a slightly different, more synthetic sound. It is obviously analogue!! Oh, by the way, does anyone know the market value of one of these? Bye-Bye, jonathan. From tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 17:34:39 1993 Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15293; Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:33:58 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: by photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA15283; Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:33:40 -0400 From: s i n e w a v e Message-Id: <9304122133.AA15283@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Joe LeSesne) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:33:40 EDT Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Analogue Heaven Synth list.) In-Reply-To: ; from "Joe LeSesne" at Apr 12, 93 1:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR you're missin out man... don't sell the 606. i got it the day before (saturday) we played and i used it on sunday night in our show. fucking hard. a very easy to use, magnificent drum machine.... sines -- /\ /\ _________________s i n e w a v e___________________ /\ /\ / \ / \ / todd sines: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 614 299 9529 \/ \/ \ analogue / analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 13:13:46 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21010; Mon, 12 Apr 93 13:13:26 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from TELERAMA.PGH.PA.US by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA21002; Mon, 12 Apr 93 13:13:23 -0400 Received: by telerama.pgh.pa.us id AA07950 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 13:13:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 13:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: Jonathan Disegi Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <9304120159.AA109614@acs.bu.edu> Message-Id: Status: OR (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Sun, 11 Apr 1993, Jonathan Disegi wrote: > But I was wondering, to all those of you that have 606's, have you ever tried > programming breakbeats into it? I have been trying, but w/ only marginal > sucess. Normally, I use a straight beat as opposed to a break, but I want to > start making breakbeat. Just wondering if anyone else has tried... Well I'm selling my 606 and this guy who is going to buy it, when I was showing him how to program it came up with the Meat Beat Manifesto (Babylon) or Prodigy (Charly) beat. I guess it's possible to make some cool breaks on a 606. Althought I fail to see how you could do a whole breakbeat song without a sampler with other drum and percussion sounds. Joe From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 22:39:48 1993 Received: by bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03459; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:38:21 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA03454; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:38:20 -0400 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA29591; Mon, 12 Apr 93 21:36:30 CDT From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Message-Id: <9304130236.AA29591@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TR-606 and Breakbeats... To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 21:36:28 CDT In-Reply-To: <9304130153.AA18617@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>; from "s i n e w a v e" at Apr 12, 93 9:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: OR Previously, s i n e w a v e wrote: > > jonathon says: > > Oh, by the way, does anyone know the market value of one of these? > > ----------- > > in the blue book, they were last quoted at $67 resale value. i think that the > dealers would pay half that ($33.50?) yet i think that the pawn shop guys were > thinking, we are ripping this guy off of $50... $50!? Gee...I've never seen 'em for $50. I've seen them _go_away_quickly_ for around $80-100, and prices as high as $150 that I'd still consider reasonable. The 606 - a silly-looking little box that can just about take your head off, in the right hands...truly. Take it from someone who owns, uses, and even foolishly _syncs_ two of them together... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Apr 12 22:42:08 1993 Received: by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14987; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:41:23 -0400 Errors-To: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sender: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Received: from Husky1.StMarys.CA by quark.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) id AA14982; Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:41:19 -0400 Received: from HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA by HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA (PMDF #12248) id <01GWXWRS31KG000NCF@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:31 AST Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:31 AST From: ROBERT JEANS Subject: 808's, 909's, 303's: How To Distribute Sync's? To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: <01GWXWRS31KG000NCF@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA> X-Envelope-To: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu" X-Vms-Cc: GEN0145 Status: OR OK. I've got a 707 a 303 and a CSQ-600 (sequencer). Everything's fine sync- wise with this set up because I use the 707 as the master control unit using Sync and trigger outputs to sync everything. But say I want to get an 808 (which I do!). How can I sync, say a 707 -->, a 303 -->, and then the 808? The 303 only has a Sync in on the back and the 808 has only one switchable in/out Sync jack. Basically what I _think_ I would need would be some sort of a Sync thru box. Am I way off on this? Also, what kind of synchronization facilities (Sync, MIDI, trigger?) are on a 909? Robert Jeans GEN0145@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA From nwilson@morgan.com Tue Sep 20 22:54:49 1994 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:10:36 -0400 From: Ab Wilson To: Legion Cc: analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Old drum machines... Legion writes: > The first is an Oberheim DX Digital. Other people will definately be able to tell you more. > The second is an EMU Drumulator. Same as for the above. > Finally, I know I'll get trashed for this but what exactly is a TR606? It's the little baby of the analogue TRs. Specs are roughly (from memory): Sounds: Six sounds - Bass Drum, Snare Drum, Hi Tom, Lo Tom, Cymbal, Open/Closed Hi Hat. All sounds are totally analogue, none are tunable without mods. o Bass drum - good and bassy but a little short in decay. Benefits from distortion. o Snare is the classis Roland analogue snare. Enough said. o Toms are like higher pitched bass drums - I usually use them for their trigger outs (see below). Again these sound great distorted. o Cymbal is halfway between a ride and crash. If you play it with accent it really jumps out at you. Not the best of sound but you can usually find a use for it. I usually use it to accent the offbeats along with the hihat. o Hi Hats are very nice analogue hihats very much like the 808. Because the open, closed and accented sounds interact in interesting ways you can actually program in a lot more dynamics than you'd think. I like them a lot. o Accent isn't a sound instead it lets you place accents on certain beats in the bar. All instruments playing on these beats are accented. So if you were being boring you'd put an accent on beats 2 and 4. Most of the instruments sound different with accent (not just louder). The snare sounds punchier for instance. Controls: o Tempo - obvious o Instrument/Track Select - Selects an instrument to edit or a track to write/play. o Read/write Mode - selects between pattern write, pattern play, track write, track play. o Master Volume - obvious. o Accent Level - selects how loud the accent is. o Individual levels for - Bass Drum, Snare Drum, Toms, Cymbal, Hi Hat. o Row of 16 buttons for writing and selecting patterns. These IMHO are the best feature of the machine. There is a button for each of the 16 steps in a bar of 4/4. You select an instrument with the knob then push the buttons to put the beats where you want. I don't the think there has ever been a more intuitive drum machine to program. o Scale select - lets you select the time values of the sixteen steps. Can be 16ths, 32nds, 16th triplets or 32nd triplets. This setting only matters if you're syncing the machine with something external. o Last Step - lets you set the last step in your pattern. When used in conjunction with scale select you can write patterns in 6/8 or 13/16 or whatever. o Pattern clear - when running hold it down to clear the current instrument. When stopped clears the current pattern. I think this works for tracks too but I don't fiddle around with programming tracks. o Tap - plays the current sound and enters a beat in write mode. o Run and Stop fit in somewhere too. Connections: o External power - I run mine off a pretty standard Boss guitar peddle adapter. o Din Sync with switch to select between input/output. The setting of this switch doesn't seem to matter. The 606 will always sync to an external clock if one is running no matter what position this switch is in. This can be anoying since it means you have to pull the sync cable out when you don't want it synced. o Two Trigger outs. Mini-jacks (as used for CV/gate signals on most Roland kit). These come from the hi and low tom tracks. I use them to trigger things on my modular. I haven't checked what the signal on these is like. It might just be the tom audio signal. o Mix out - mono output on a quarter inch jack. o Head phones out - same as above only at head phone level. No separate outs without modification. I've looked at doing this myself but got scared when I saw the circuit board. I think there are other mod you can do but I don't have the details. Ab. --